Grey CCO John Patroulis on hypnosis, odd jobs and niche interests - a podcast by I-Hsien Sherwood and Alfred Maskeroni

John Patroulis, worldwide chief creative officer at Grey, talks about niche and counterculture topics that have captured his attention over the years, like hypnosis and the atonal musical creations of Jandek. He also gives a rundown of his odd jobs, like window-breaker and night watchman, names shades of gray and weighs in on movies he knows he never needs to see.

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