Episode 63 - These Are Their Stories - a podcast by Briahna Joy Gray & Virgil Texas

In a week marked by multiple instances of police misconduct, and under the shadow of the ongoing Derick Chauvin trial, Virgil and Brie sit down with two former public defenders to discuss why "reform" isn't good enough. Lara Bazelon is a law professor and the former director of the Loyola Law School Project for the Innocent in Los Angeles. She's also the author of the viral 2019 NYT article "Kamala Harris Was Not a Progressive Prosecutor." Scott Hechinger, formerly of the Brooklyn public defenders office, is the founder of Zealous, an advocacy organization aimed at leveraging the power of public defenders to end mass incarceration.

Before the interview, Brie and Virgil set themselves up for canceling as bourgeois elites by debating their favorite brunch-spot vibes, and post interview, the pair ruminates on how "copaganda" has created undue public sympathy for prosecutors.

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