How a Compelling Story Packs a Persuasive Punch with Melanie Green - a podcast by Kurt Nelson, PhD and Tim Houlihan

from 2021-04-18T03:05

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Dr. Melanie Green is a professor at the University of Buffalo. She joined us on the podcast to explain how the power of a compelling narrative, including the effects of fictional stories, can be used to change beliefs and attitudes. Her theory of "transportation into a narrative world" focuses on how immersive storytelling is a mechanism of narrative influence.


It was an in-depth conversation that explored concepts around how stories move us, the power of narrative to affect both cognitive and emotional feelings, and how restorative narratives can be used to help heal communities after disasters. We touch on the psychological response of reactance, the appeal of conspiracy theory stories and the elements needed to create a compelling story. 


We also introduce - in a slightly more proper fashion - our production and research assistant, Mary Kaliff. We are excited to introduce Mary to our listeners and hope you will welcome her with a happy greeting on social media!


Finally, no episode of Behavioral Grooves would be complete without understanding our guest’s musical tastes. Melanie’s upbringing in Gainesville, Florida influenced her lifelong love of music, in particular the hometown hero,  Tom Petty. She’s also a fan of James Taylor, which delighted Tim. More recently, Melanie’s house is often filled with the sound of the Hamilton soundtrack, thanks to her children’s love of the musical, which delighted Kurt. So, it was wins all around. 


We hope you enjoy our conversation with Melanie and if you like it, please jump down to the bottom of your listening app and share a quick rating or a short review with us. It goes a long way in helping others decide if they should listen to Behavioral Grooves. 


Topics

0:07 Introduction 


1:00 Hello from Mary Kaliff


3:46 Welcome and Speed Round with Melanie Green


7:44 Reactance and empathy


16:25 What makes a good story?


22:26 Storytelling in different mediums


27:12 Parasocial Interaction


33:10 Storytelling for social good


38:50 Conspiracy Theories


43:07 Melanie’s music and playlist


47:30 Grooving Session


Quotes 

(14:13) If you do have a story that's not representative, the danger of it kind of having an undue influence on people's thinking and decision making is, I think, a real one, especially with something consequential, like these medical decisions. 


(18:21) the way that stories can inform us and change our minds, is through this process of being immersed in them.


(31:17) And so a story can be a really nice kind of way of summarizing and illustrating the guiding principles maybe that people want the organization to follow


(33:37) restorative narratives tell those stories, you know, how people move from something bad to kind of come back to a better place.


Social Media

Tim @THoulihan


Kurt @motivationguru


Mary @BeSciMary


Other Content

To listen to more podcasts about narratives and messages why not delve into these episodes:


https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/steve-martin-and-joe-marks-the-messenger-is-the-message/


https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/john-sweeney-everything-is-a-story/ 


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Links

Melanie Green:  https://www.buffalo.edu/cas/communication/faculty/green.html 


The Game of Thrones: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_of_Thrones 


Story telling Mirrors in the Brain: https://www.michaelharvey.org/new-blog/2019/12/29/storytelling-mirrors-in-the-brain 


Victoria Shaffer, PhD: https://psychology.missouri.edu/people/shaffer 


The Bible: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible 


The Koran:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quran 


The Bhagavad Ghita: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhagavad_Gita 


Pamela Rutledge: https://www.pamelarutledge.com/ 


Guy Schoenecker: https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2016/12/07/life-story-guy-schoenecker/ 


BI WORLDWIDE: https://www.biworldwide.com/careers/ 


Common Biases & Heuristics: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XHpBr0VFcaT8wIUpr-9zMIb79dFMgOVFRxIZRybiftI/edit?usp=sharing  


Jon Levy: https://www.jonlevytlb.com/ 


Mirror Neurons: Why good stories provoke empathy and connection (Kyle Pearce) https://www.diygenius.com/mirror-neurons/ 


Musical Links

Bruce Springsteen “Fire”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5PoIrcyd34 


“Hamilton” soundtrack: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPSWZUExZ8M 


James Taylor “Never Die Young”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbGrD4hxoBI 


Traveling Wilburys “End of the Line”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMVjToYOjbM 


Tom Petty “Don’t Fade on Me”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKUBlwVgVYc 

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