‘If we are better than the very best case scenario, how much better do we have to be?’ - a podcast by BBC Radio 4

Prime Minister Boris Johnson has said that he is confident July 19 will be the “terminus date” for all remaining COVID restrictions.

Justin Webb hears how the delay in re-opening is a “disaster” for the hospitality industry from Hugh Osmond, founder of Punch Taverns, and speaks to Graham Medley, Professor of Infectious Disease Modelling at London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine.

Also, Mishal Husain questions Cabinet Office Minister, Michael Gove, over the veracity of the new date and speaks to Professor Sir Andrew Pollard, the leader of the Oxford Vaccine Group.

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