“Marginalized people should know not to marginalize people” - Andy’s research into bi and trans exclusion - a podcast by Avery Smith

Andy Thornton shares their research into the exclusion experienced by bi and trans persons not only in Christian spaces, but also in LGBT/queer spaces. They found that many persons are made to feel like they are "not enough" - not Christian enough, not queer enough, not trans enough - and feel compelled to alter or suppress aspects of themselves to fit in better. How do we learn to stop hurting one another in the same ways that the normative world hurts us? 

For a transcript and more places to listen, visit blessedarethebinarybreakers.com/podcast-archive.

Talking points: 

- (0:00 -  4:12) Intro: relating Andy's research to the tv show Pose

- (4:13 - 6:47) "The gays don't want me and the Christians don't want me" + the cliquey elements of both Christian spaces and queer spaces

- (6:48 - 8:35) Methods of exclusion: ignoring, making exceptions, virtue signalling, conformity

- (8:36 - 9:50) "You cannot be religious and queer"

- (9:51 - 15:00) Internalizing, self blame when excluded or misgendered

- (15:01 - 16:55) What the story of David and Saul teaches us - "don't fall into internalizing and repeating the patriarchal norms"

- (16:56 - 21:38) The perils of gatekeeping and relief of finding we are not alone

- (21:39 - 24:41) Wrapping up - Pose again; new website

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