400 Steps - a podcast by ESPN, Kevin Negandhi, Kirk Herbstreit, David Pollack

Kevin Negandhi and Kirk Herbstreit kick off the podcast discussing Herbie's insane travel schedule last week, if the committee got it right between No. 1 and No. 2, LSU's defensive awakening, why Clemson might be even better this season than last, Jalen Hurts' playoff experience and Joe Burrow running away with the Heisman (20:32). Later, the guys get into their initial thoughts on the playoff matchups (29:14), which other bowl games jumped off the slate, Herbie's interview with Tua Tagovailoa and his parents (35:39), coaching moves (45:20) and listener questions.

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