An interview with Anne Applebaum and José Ignacio Torreblanca - a podcast by ECFR

Head of ECFR's Madrid Office, Jose Ignacio Torreblanca talks to the American historian, a Pulitzer Prize winner for Gulag, and expert on authoritarian populism about the recently published "The Twilight of Democracy" – a hard-hitting book on the collapse of a way of life based on reason and freedom, and the rise of another, based on hatred, resentment, and contempt for the rule of law.

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