Podcast 165 – The Semantics of End of Life Discussions with Ashley Shreves - a podcast by Scott D. Weingart, MD FCCM

 

End of Life Conversations are Hard

We stumble, we stutter, we say things that derail the discussion when we have a patient at the end of life. But how do we learn to do better? We model good behavior. But in order to do that we need to hear good discussions. I listened to Ashley Shreve's amazing SMACC Chicago talk:



SMACC Talk: What is a Good Death?



After listening, I wanted to bring Ashley back on to really get into the nitty-gritty of the semantics of End of Life discussions. Ashley has been on the EMCrit podcast before discussing Critical Care Palliation. Now lets hear from here again...

Tidbits I pulled out of the Podcast



* The three patients that will spur Ashley to try to have these discussions:



* 1. Advanced Cancer or Terminal Disease with Instability

* 2. Advanced Frailty/Dementia with Instability

* 3. Advanced Physiological Age (>85 y/o) with Instability





* Start with, "I'm so worried about your family member," and see the response

* Then, "Tell me how things have been going with your family member"

* Technique: Ask, Tell, Ask, Tell

* Know the trajectories of care for the diseases we deal with

* Does that mean you will do nothing? No, we actually want to intensify the treatment, with a focus on peace and dignity

* We don't want to artificially prolong the dying process

* Vitalists comprise 5-10% of the population, you are unlikely to convince these folks in the ED

* What if things don't get better?





Additional Resources



* Vital Talks Web Site

* Book: Mastering Communication with Seriously Ill Patients: Balancing Honesty with Empathy and Hope

* Six ways to have End of Life Conversations with Compassion by Ashley

* Palliative Care FastFacts from Wisconsin



Now on to the Podcast...

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