Podcasts by Iconoclash
A podcast raising the bar for hip-hop and gaming nerds. Join us live on YouTube and be a part of the show! Clashing since late 2017
Further podcasts by Ends and Keezie
Podcast on the topic Musikrezensionen
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Episode #99–A Smile and a Handshake from 2020-12-17T07:18:23
This episode we start by catching up since it’s been so long, and Ends shares with us his experience having the coronavirus. He then shares with us that he’s working on a new album, and then we ...
ListenEpisode #98–How Do You Like Them Apples? from 2020-09-04T07:41:41
We start this episode by catching up for a minute, discussing the state of the union and our shared disdain for our President. We move on to discuss the new Joyner Lucas/Ashanti song Fall Slowly...
ListenEpisode #97–Couldn’t Get It In–ft. Scott from 2020-07-22T17:03:59
This episode we are finally joined by long time friend of the show, Scott! We begin the episode by catching up, discussing the coronavirus and Kanye a bit before diving into our main topic – The...
ListenEpisode #96–A Casualty of War–ft. King Dice from 2020-06-10T16:52:39
This episode we are joined by King Dice! He is a rapper/producer/mentor and we brought him in to help us navigate the treacherous waters of today’s climate, regarding the protests, cops, and #BL...
ListenEpisode #95–A Weird time from 2020-06-10T16:31:41
This episode starts with some catching up, Keezie tells Ends about his new hobby – playing ukulele, Ends tells us all about Tekashi 69’s new video, and we dive into some video game talk. We disc...
ListenEpisode #94–Coronaclash from 2020-05-11T18:21:01
Welcome back! This episode we are back with a new setup and doing the pod remotely. We begin by catching up and discussing the pandemic for a bit, before moving on to review all the games, music...
ListenS03E31–Naked Chandler is a Creep from 2020-03-03T16:04:12
This episode begins with Keezie giving a rundown of his Valentine’s day trip to White Castle, and Ends refusing to tell us anything about the cheeks he’s been clapping. We immediately move on to...
ListenS03E30–A Relic from the 90’s from 2020-02-11T16:59:17
This episode begins with Ends giving us his review of Pokemon Shield, before giving us his thoughts on the new Lil Wayne album Funeral. Keezie briefly shares his thoughts on Esham and chick rap,...
ListenS03E29–I Really Like Da Baby from 2020-02-06T22:29:11
We begin this episode by recapping our weeks, and diving into our review of season 2 of Netflix’s You. Keezie reviews Parasite, Ends reviews the Aaron Hernandez doc, and then we share our though...
ListenS03E28–Slippin and Slidin from 2020-01-29T17:04:54
We begin this episode by catching up a bit and shitting on social networks. Ends tells us about his satin sheets and Don’t Fuck with Cats, and Keezie gives a high recommendation to The Witcher. ...
ListenS03E27–Down for Some Ignorance from 2020-01-06T16:38:34
This episode we decide to do our own version of Hot Ones using wings and sauces from Buffalo Wild Wings. While we eat increasingly hot wings throughout the course of the show, we catch up a litt...
ListenS03E26–Raise Your Heart, Rate from 2019-11-26T01:31:47
This episode begins with us discussing this football mishap featuring Myles Garrett and Mason Rudolph, Ends shows off his Large Marge shirt, and Kyle shares some more opinions about Call of Duty...
ListenS03E25–The Last Supper from 2019-11-14T21:48:20
We begin this episode by talking about the importance of voting, and Ends tells us about the Immortal Technique show. Keezie shares the news that Broken Fort‘s old catalog is now on digital outl...
ListenS03E24–Miss Me with the Whoopty-Whoop from 2019-11-01T13:13:49
We start this episode with our favorite topic, politics! We do our best to cover the debates, before we jump to the next scariest thing – horror movies! Ends gives us his horrendous horror recom...
ListenS03E23–Evil Minded Like Krang from 2019-10-11T01:52:14
This episode begins with Kyle giving his review of Joker, which brings us to a discussion regarding the expectation of safety while going to a theater. We then talk about how unnecessary Toy Sto...
ListenS03E22–Snitches Get Canceled from 2019-09-26T21:04:33
We begin this episode by catching up as always, and go right into our reviews of It and It: Chapter 2. We give our thoughts on the Tekashi 6ix9ine snitchin‘, and move on to discuss some cool vid...
ListenS03E21–Live From Cloud City from 2019-09-26T20:03:05
This episode we are coming at you live from the first ever Cloud City festival here in Columbus, Ohio! It was a really cool event that featured local artists and creators of all kinds, including...
ListenS03E20–Still from 2019-09-06T20:15:58
This episode begins with us talking about becoming old, and we move into some gaming chit-chat. Kyle gives Ends the scoop on Telltale’s revival and Resident Evil: Project Resistance, so on and s...
ListenS03E19–Doodle of a Two-Headed Unicorn from 2019-08-29T00:06:12
This episode begins with Keezie talking about his spontaneous visit to Matsuricon, before Ends gives us the scoop on the Bad Ben movie franchise. We move on to games, Ends hypes up the new myste...
ListenS03E18–Betty White from 2019-08-10T14:55:38
We begin the episode by catching up a little, Keezie talks about his bday, Ends tells us how he almost got into a fight, and we move on to peep the new McNastee video for I Want More. We then di...
ListenS03E17–Ba Dang Da Dang Diggy Diggy from 2019-08-02T14:09:17
We begin this episode with a discussion about PC culture and toxic masculinity, and why we should all be allowed to joke about everything at all times. Ends tells us about the Jimmy Buffet conce...
ListenS03E16–A Record of a Record from 2019-07-21T16:55:35
This episode begins with Ends telling us about the Killers concert he went to, as well as the Jimmy Buffet concert he will soon attend. We chat a little bit about what we’ve seen and played, and...
ListenS03E15–Slouch it Up from 2019-07-11T23:09:29
We begin this episode with Kyle giving us a quick breakdown of his Florida trip, and we revisit our fuckable Pokemon discussion. Ends then tells us about a playable movie/game called The Late Sh...
ListenS03E14–Snapchat’s a Snitch from 2019-06-23T04:00:36
This episodebegins with our weekly recap. Kyle saw Ari Shaffir over the weekend, we talk briefly about trans people, and social media before moving onto games. Kyle rants and raves about Beat Sa...
ListenS03E13–Joe in Kansas is My Boy from 2019-06-18T14:00:14
This episode we begin with a quick eulogy for the great Bushwick Bill before giving our thoughts on Detective Pikachu and the Tom MacDonald/Mac Lethal beef. Ends then tells us about the new and ...
ListenS03E12–A Tricky Tale from 2019-06-11T02:00:56
This episode Ends starts off by giving us the scoop on his show with Bobby Krea and Caskey, and we discuss the future of Keezie’s rap career. Ends gives us the latest on his sex life of course, ...
ListenS03E11–The Secret GOAT from 2019-06-04T16:11:22
This episode begins with an update about our sex lives, and then we check out the new Joyner and Logic joint ISIS. We then share our thoughts on the new Qveen Herby video Mozart, make fun of Lor...
ListenS03E10–Winter Isn’t Coming from 2019-05-26T23:00:14
This episode begins with Ends telling us all about his time at the Sonic Temple festival last week, which gets us talking about other music festivals and our bucket list bands. Ends also talks a...
ListenS03E09–The Bonus Hole from 2019-05-16T16:30:10
This episode begins with our thoughts on Glass and The Hateful Eight, and then we create the Iconoclashathon. We catch up a little bit, and Ends tells us about an awesome date he went on with hi...
ListenS03E08–The Three-Finger Cradle from 2019-05-10T18:45:56
This episode we start with Kyle giving his review of the flip&dip, and Ends tells a tall tale about picking up a chick named Winter at the bar and how all his friends are little crybaby bitches....
ListenS03E07–Just One of Those Days from 2019-05-05T02:00:06
We begin this episode by doing the opposite of what everyone else is doing – by NOT talking shit about the new Sonic trailer. We then go over some stuff brought up on the previous episode, inclu...
ListenS03E06–A Calm Objective View from 2019-04-28T18:45:34
This episode starts with some BJs talk once again, and Kyle gets hype for the battle of Winterfell and Avengers: Endgame. We bullshit about some other shows and movies for a bit, and then we hav...
ListenS03E05–The Flip and Dip from 2019-04-26T23:30:29
This episode we begin by catching up a little as usual, including tales of Ends becoming Bobby Krea‘s impromptu hypeman, Kyle’s thoughts on Captain Marvel, and Ends’ experience taking his kids t...
ListenS03E04–BJs For Life from 2019-04-16T09:45:18
We begin this episode by catching up a little, hyping up the Blue Jackets and such, before giving a couple shoutouts to our homies King Dice and Justice. We briefly touch on the Nipsey tragedy a...
ListenS03E03–RIP NIP from 2019-04-12T14:15:28
This episode begins with a super fun eulogy to the late, great Nipsey Hussle courtesy of homeboy King Dice. We then discuss the Lil Nas X song, Old Town Road which has recently gained meme statu...
ListenS03E02–Betty Boop Looks Nice from 2019-04-04T21:30:18
Hey hey hey, this episode we begin by catching up a little, chatting about what we’ve been watching/playing before Ends tells us about Apple’s new streaming game service. We then of course, disc...
ListenS03E01–We All Agree to Disagree from 2019-03-25T09:30:30
This episode begins with us catching up a little, we shout out Justin Parker, discuss a little Division 2, and Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, and dive into a debate about the danger of marijuana...
ListenS02E31–We Love You from 2019-03-17T20:30:29
We begin the episode by catching up a little bit before we discuss the new Yelawolf Bloody Sunday video. We also highly recommend checking out Elvis Messy and Mountain Dew Mouth, his other 2 vid...
ListenS02E30–Sometimes You Gotta Stroke It from 2019-03-10T22:15:27
We begin this episode by immediately discussing Michael Cohen, Trump, and Alex Jones. We casually segue into video games, discussing the new Xbox digital only console coming out, as well as the ...
ListenS02E29–How Do You Like Them Apples? from 2019-02-27T17:00:58
This episode we welcome Ends back in studio, hot off the Cali-Zona Love Tour! We catch up a little, discussing Ends’ gross finger, weddings, and folks who take symbolism too seriously. Kyle then...
ListenS02E28–Ballad of the Bernie Boyz Feat. Munks from 2019-02-21T15:15:12
This episode Ends joins us via satellite once again, having just wrapped the Cali Zona love tour. We are also joined by friend of the show, Munks! We catch up a little, and Ends tells us about s...
ListenS02E27–Live from Southwestern Cackalacky from 2019-02-13T17:15:24
This episode Ends comes to us via satellite, since he’s out on the Cali-zona Love tour! We start with a little chat about Apex Legends and Roblox, and then Ends tells us about a strange occurren...
ListenS02E26–Wippity Bippity Bop from 2019-02-07T05:00:45
This episode begins with some super bowl talk (or should I say, POOPER bowl, amiright??) before diving into the reason we started the show a few hours late. We then spend quite a while having a ...
ListenS02E25–Rock Out with your Glock Out from 2019-01-31T00:30:31
This episode begins with us complimenting each other’s attire, and a shoutout to Justin Parker for making sweet shirts. We then go ahead and address the Jokerr once again, and Kyle recommends th...
ListenS02E24–Raise My Kids from 2019-01-23T21:15:24
What up. This episode begins with a grand ol’ Resident Evil discussion once again, as Ends eagerly anticipates the release of RE:2 this Friday. He has been streaming all the RE7 DLC on his Twitc...
ListenS02E23–Sparking Joy from 2019-01-16T21:15:06
This episode starts off hot with an immediate review of the Resident Evil 2 one-shot Demo. Of course Ends discusses his opinions at length, but Kyle tried it too! Check out the live stream of it...
ListenS02E22–Let Me Know in the Comments from 2019-01-10T15:00:46
This episode begins with clashers sharing some fun parenting moments, right before deep diving straight into Birdbox. We discuss it’s deeper, darker interpreted meaning, and Ends then shares his...
ListenS02E21–Getting the Band Back Together from 2019-01-03T15:00:07
This episode starts off with a good ol’ fashioned discussion about Indiana Jones, and then we dive in with our first ever spontaneous giveaway live on the show! We talk a little bit about Christ...
ListenS02E20–A Quickmas Clashing from 2018-12-25T08:00:46
Ho Ho Ho! You didn’t think we would leave you hanging just because it’s Christmas did you? Of course not! Here’s our gift to you: a quick(er) clash We start the episode with Ends telling us abou...
ListenS02E19–A Christmas Clashing from 2018-12-20T22:27:39
Welcome friends! This is episode 50 of Iconoclash! We are celebrating our 50th episode with a Christmas theme, so come get merry with us We start the show with a little gift exchange. Ends gives...
ListenS02E18–Sicker than the Germs in AIDS from 2018-12-14T22:04:21
This episode begins with a quick chat about the upcoming Bobby Krea/Ends video for a song called “It’s On”, to be debuted next week right here EXCLUSIVELY on Iconoclash! We then have a nice disc...
ListenS02E17–Honing the Samurai Sword from 2018-12-06T14:20:06
This episode begins with Ends telling us a tall tale about him getting roofied, and he then tells us all about his thoughts on Wreck-It Ralph 2. Kyle saw Sal Vulcano from the Impractical Jokers ...
ListenS02E16–Afraid of the Troll from 2018-11-27T21:51:45
This episode begins with a quick chat about our Thanksgiving weekend, including how Ends’ dog ruined his family gathering, we share our mutual dislike of cake, and Kyle talks about how he be bak...
ListenS02E15–Livin that Thanksta Life from 2018-11-21T20:49:45
Hey there! This week’s episode starts with some Pokemon talk, and then Ends tells us all about Fallout 76. He also gives us his review of Derren Brown’s Sacrifice, and admits that he is now a fa...
ListenS02E14–One of the Ones from 2018-11-14T21:55:48
This episode begins with Ends telling us all about his trip with Bobby Krea to the 1st annual WTMH radio awards this past weekend. Bobby took home the awards for best new artist AND best hip-hop...
ListenS02E13–Republicans Probably Pay for Porn from 2018-11-08T14:12:16
This episode begins with us praising each other’s garb, before diving head first into politics. We urge everyone to go out and vote, and discuss what should be done about the 2 party system, inc...
ListenS02E12–Halloween Pt. 2–Having Fun with the Bros from 2018-11-01T14:24:35
Happy Halloween part 2! We immediately start by plugging the Bad Trip Mixtape, a free Halloween album from the Mafiatic Misfits that came out last year. Kyle takes issue with being branded the ...
ListenS02E11–Halloween Extravaganza Pt. 1 from 2018-10-25T14:43:50
We gettin spooky this episode! We start with a chat about some horror movies we’ve watched recently, including Blair Witch, the Paranormal Activity series, and Slenderman. We then give our full ...
ListenS02E10–Goonie Goons the Looniest from 2018-10-17T20:29:08
We start with a quick chat about pedophiles, and then deep dive into the psyche of people who refuse to spend money on apps. We then move onto a discussion about PS5 and the future of gaming. Af...
ListenS02E09–The Game Ain’t Got No Love from 2018-10-10T15:27:22
We start this episode by showing off our new Iconoclash merch and catch up on our week. We have a fun chat about Conor McGregor, and then we discuss Shaggy’s attempt to drop kick Fred Durst. We ...
ListenS02E08–The Devil’s Triangle from 2018-10-03T14:40:21
We start this episode with a recap of our week, and almost immediately dive into the controversy surrounding The GOAT and your MOM. The band was not a fan of our comments on their lyrics (featur...
ListenS02E07–Skim Milk Chuggin from 2018-09-26T04:51
This episode begins like always with a recap of our weeks, including our thoughts on why fat chicks give the best head, and the blasphemy of the Monster Bash pinball game. After bitching about t...
ListenS02E06–Too Cool for Friendship from 2018-09-19T02:58:13
We start this episode with a recap of our week, and then clash hardcore when Kyle admits he is a psychopath who hates dogs. We have a long, heated discussion before forcing ourselves to move on....
ListenS02E05–No Homo Fo Sho Do from 2018-09-13T03:40:06
This episode we start with a discussion on what we know about hip-hop and how we know it. We dive into artists like Tech N9ne, ICP, Hollywood Undead, 21 Pilots, and Joe Budden. Ends recommends a...
ListenS02E04–Flappin Around Like a Bapkin from 2018-09-05T02:00:58
Welcome turd burglars! This episode is a doozy! We dedicate a good 80% of this episode to the best to ever do it, the greatest in the world, the undisputed GOAT, Eminem! We give our thoughts on ...
ListenS02E03–Macho Man Got the Bars from 2018-08-29T02:08:24
We start this episode by paying our respects to the victims of the worst rage-quit of all time, Ends shares some life hacks, and he tells us about the Copywrite show he went to last week. We the...
ListenS02E02–Smash Like Automatons from 2018-08-22T16:05:34
What is up you fucking freaks? We start with a chat about the past week, giving props to Bobby Krea, Jay Red, and Codeine. We continue with music chat by letting you know our opinions on the new...
ListenS02E01–Rein Like Deer Slaves from 2018-08-15T00:15:24
It’s time for season 2! We have some new graphics and features and segments (not to mention better quality video!) so make sure you watch live on our Facebook every week so you can participate i...
ListenS01E31–Dyslexic in a Four-Door Mango Lexus from 2018-08-09T14:11:18
Welcome! This is the season finale of season 1! We start things off by urging folks to vote, followed by Ends wishing Keezie a happy birthday by giving him some of his favorite PS4 games to borr...
ListenS01E30–Dinosaurs with Guns from 2018-08-05T19:28:17
We start this episode with a discussion about names, and quickly get into video games. Kyle tells us about introducing his kids to Guitar Hero, and shares that he is now the proud owner of a PS4...
ListenS01E29–Land, Loot, and Shoot from 2018-07-25T22:25:40
This week’s episode begins with Ends telling us about his recent King’s Island trip which gets us chatting up a storm about our amusement park experiences. We talk a little bit about G-Mo Skee a...
ListenS01E28–Buttholes and Piss from 2018-07-20T20:43:55
Hey! This episode we start off with an audio issue that is addressed pretty quickly (skip to 4:35ish to avoid it) before diving into the show with some movie talk! Ends tells us all about the Pu...
ListenS01E27–Happiness in your Household from 2018-07-11T12:04:40
We begin this episode by discussing how shitty The Culling 2 looks, and talk a little about the history of the Portal games. Ends also tells us his experience with God of War and Rainbow Six Sie...
ListenS01E26–Very Anticlimactics from 2018-07-04T17:00:54
We welcome our first ever guest this episode, Mr. Bobby Krea aka LifelessComic! Bobby tells us a little about himself and we make plans to break into the Gathering. We talk movies for quite a wh...
ListenS01E25–Chuck Norris Almost Killed My Dad from 2018-06-26T21:38:44
Hey there! This week’s episode begins with us discussing our week, including our new jobs and how Ends almost beat up someone at his work. We quickly move into our video game discussion which st...
ListenS01E24–The Sunglass Episode from 2018-06-20T23:08:58
This episode we start with a Switch hack update before moving on to Sonic Mania. Ends is skeptical about it, but changes his mind almost instantly. We also chat a bit about Survivor and 13 Reaso...
ListenS01E23–We Got Some Za Brah from 2018-06-17T01:48:14
This is a fun-filled episode! Ends starts us off by telling us all about his Bonnaroo experience, and we then go back and forth on our top 5 all-time favorite rap albums. After giving our buddy ...
ListenS01E22–Sow Your Wild Oats from 2018-06-07T13:11:09
This episode we start with a chat about Ends’ personal life and he hypes up his upcoming Bonnaroo performance. We then watch his almost best of PUBG highlight reel, and reminisce about awesome r...
ListenS01E21–Inceptional from 2018-06-01T12:28:59
The show begins with Keez’s latest Majora’s Mask frustrations, and Ends schools us on the Pusha T and Drake beef. We then talk a little Roseanne and NFL’s kneeling policies, and we finally give ...
ListenS01E20–A White Trash Macklemore from 2018-05-24T03:03:44
This episode we start by praising the great Pauly Shore for some reason, and then we delve into a discussion about rapper Tom McDonald, and we give our opinions on his controversial song White B...
ListenS01E19–Balls Out Beer Pong from 2018-05-16T11:46:53
We start off this episode with a couple of technical difficulties as Ends tries to tell us about the show Evil Genius on Netflix. Kyle laments about the cancellation of Last Man on Earth before ...
ListenS01E18–Bags of Peanuts from 2018-05-09T22:29:17
This episode we begin with an update about our feelings on Kanye’s latest antics, including his viral TMZ appearance. Shoutout to Van Latham for standing up to him! Ends also retracts his commen...
ListenS01E17–Woopty Scoopty Poop from 2018-05-04T12:12:21
Woop woop! In honor of episode 17 we start with a little juggalo chat, discussing ICP’s appearance on Sway in the Morning from a few months back, and Ends brings up the time Shia Lebeouf killed ...
ListenS01E16–It’s All Cohesive from 2018-04-26T01:03:54
This episode we begin by discussing our favorite subject, video games! Ends tells us all about his first solo chicken dinner on PUBG, and we comment on the growing popularity of battle royale ga...
ListenS01E15–Friends Ends in Ends from 2018-04-11T20:15:18
This episode we start off with the usual banter including topics such as our day jobs and tipping etiquette. Ends surprises Kyle with the completed, never before released version of a song calle...
ListenS01E14–Anno Domini from 2018-04-04T11:31:30
This episode we start by telling you all about our experience at the Froggy Fresh concert over the weekend (Spoiler alert: it was awesome). Then Ends tells us about his awesome Easter sunday. We...
ListenS01E13–The Baddest of Them All from 2018-03-28T15:07:44
This episode we start by discussing the Netflix show Santa Clarita Diet and segue into other Netflix shows and movies. Ends recommends the movie Game Over Man which stars the Workaholics guys. K...
ListenS01E12–Don’t Watch Keep Watching from 2018-03-20T02:21:08
This episode we go over all the homework that we gave each other last episode. There’s some heated discussions regarding our thoughts on Resident Evil 6 and PUBG. There’s a lot more gaming and h...
ListenS01E11–Bad to the Bone from 2018-03-12T20:08:08
This episode we discuss what we believe to be the worst games of all time and why. We also challenge each other to play these games throughout the week and report back next week to see what we t...
ListenS01E10–Nature is Wacky from 2018-03-05T22:18:46
This episode we start by discussing Monster Bash at length and we dive into the intricacies of open world gaming. Games discussed include Assassin’s Creed Origins, the GTA series, Metal Gear, an...
ListenS01E09–Nostalgia City from 2018-02-28T23:44:41
This episode we discuss classic games from all eras of gaming. We also chat about how great the SEGA Channel was, and we figure out the names of some of our favorite retro games that time forgot...
ListenS01E08–Meth is Not as Good as Molly from 2018-02-21T00:21:27
This episode we discuss the Arizona Love Tour, Ends talks about hosting game night, we talk about why the future scares us, we tell tales of past jobs, the hardships and bonuses of being white, ...
ListenIconoclash–S01E07–Arizona Skypin from 2018-02-13T02:17:24
This episode is a nice short little chat with Ends via Skype. We catch up and ask about the tour, and he tells us about a new challenge. Also featuring a random pop-in from McNastee Be sure to s...
ListenIconoclash S01E06–Sad Sack and the Sarge from 2018-02-02T04:13:27
This episode we discuss wearing shoes in the house, WWE Network, and what it means to be a patriot. We also do the usual video game, TV, and movie talk Make sure you like this video, subscribe t...
ListenIconoclash S01E05–Monster Sex and Figure Skating from 2018-01-25T14:39:33
Thanks for checking out Iconoclash! This episode Kyle and Ends start by discussing relationships and Ends going on tour, and move on to discuss a few of the Oscar nominations before naturally mo...
ListenIconoclash S01E04–Lord Have Mercy from 2018-01-15T22:45:27
Thanks for checking out Iconoclash! This episode we discuss paranormal experiences, religion, and Trump. Ends drops a verse or two, and we share some celebrity stories Subscribe on Youtube, iTun...
ListenIconoclash S01E03–RPGeniuses from 2018-01-10T13:01:59
This episode we mostly clash about some of our favorite RPG’s including Fable, The Elder Scrolls Series, and so on and so forth forever. We rattle off some stuff we’re looking forward to in the ...
ListenIconoclash S01E02–Clashing in the New Year from 2018-01-01T23:59:05
Welcome to episode 2 of Iconoclash! This episode we discuss what we got for xmas, digital games vs. physical discs, and race stuff! Enjoy the ride! Subscribe on itunes, Stitcher, Google Play Mus...
ListenIconoclash S01E01–The Beta from 2017-12-21T03:31:32
This is Iconoclash! A brand new podcast from Kyle and Rob Every week we discuss topics of interest and find out where our minds align – AND CLASH (at least that’s what we’re rolling with for now...
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