Podcasts by Interdependence

Latent space exploration with Damien Roach aka patten from 2023-04-19T10:13:21

We caught up with Damien Roach, aka patten, aka 555-5555, to discuss the need for new language to navigate the abstract implications of machine learning for our understanding of art, and the lim...

Mental models and next gen AI tools with Cristóbal Valenzuela (Runway) from 2023-03-21T11:47:10

Runway have been on an absolute tear of late offering new AI tools for their creative production suite, so we invited CEO Cristóbal Valenzuela to join us to discuss their approach, and how the m...

Dadabots: Playing with fire❤️‍🔥and extreme AI music from 2023-01-10T11:34:13

Over the moon to welcome titans of AI music Dadabots! We debate the coming obsolescence of human artists, their new open source AI music organization HarmonAI, and discuss what is being prototyp...

Synthetic 3ball and Semilla AI with Hexorcismos from 2022-12-31T12:44:41

We catch up with Moisés Horta Valenzuela (Hexorcismos) to discuss his remarkable experiments with music and machine learning, and his upcoming software project Semilla that experiments with co-o...

New economic kinks and Extitutional theory with Primavera De Filippi from 2022-11-30T09:33:21

Primavera De Filippi of the French National Centre for Scientific Research (CNRS) and Harvard's Berkman Klein Center for Internet and Society joins us to discuss her economic experiments, her gr...

Covid space travel and AI rabbit holes with Andy Turner (Plaid) and Emma Catnip from 2022-11-23T13:15:49

A great joy to host Andy Turner and Emma Catnip to discuss their work in celebration of the release of Plaid's latest album Feorm Falorx. We discuss their intergalactic space travel over ...

Other intelligences and prepping for utopia with James Bridle from 2022-11-10T10:24:24

Hi everyone! Back in the saddle after an enforced little break prompted by a peculiar cluster of medical scare, pregnancy and founding a new organization. What a wild year.

Thrilled to hos...

Is A.I. good or bad for art? With The Culture Journalist from 2022-10-25T10:53:20

Mat joined our friends Emilie & Andrea at The Culture Journalist to...

Gamer Wagnerism and dog operas with David Kanaga from 2022-10-14T10:36:29

A real joy to welcome one of our favorites David Kanaga, the composer and game designer behind Soft Valkyrie, a recent opera starring Stephen Fry and Attila Csihar, the dog opera O​ἶ​κ​o​ς​piel ...

Post-Individualism, Metalabels and Web 3 with Yancey Strickler from 2022-09-27T11:21:53

A joy to welcome Yancey Stickler to discuss his idea of Post-Individualism and his new project Metalabel. We also get into his prior work founding Kickstarter, its parallels to web 3, and new pr...

Co-creating new music economies with Tim Exile (Endlesss) from 2022-09-13T10:43:31

Such a joy to have on virtuosic musician and instrument builder Tim Exile to discuss his collaborative online musical ecosystem Endlesss, the uneasy state of contemporary music, new folk traditi...

The state of streaming, crypto and perpetual musical nostalgia with David Turner (Penny Fractions) from 2022-08-31T09:06:02

David Turner shares some of the most insightful and thorough analyses on the music industry through his Penny Fractions newsletter. 

We link up to discuss the current state of streaming, h...

Inhuman Intelligence with Anil Bawa-Cavia from 2022-08-18T14:11:56

Anil is one of our favorite thinkers on AI. To celebrate the advent of Anil's debut book "Logiciel: Six Seminars on Computational Reason", we try and pick apart some high level concepts on reaso...

Marina Abramović on the parallels between performance art and web 3 from 2022-07-20T11:49:28

We had a wonderfully funny chat with Marina Abramović on AI authorship and digital twins, the urgent need for heroism, and the parallels between performance art and web 3's attempts to value the...

Experiments in revaluing music with David Greenstein (Sound.xyz) from 2022-07-15T11:21:11

We sit down with Sound.xyz founder David Greenstein to discuss the many different experiments and approaches happening to revalue music within the...

Cloud money and the Case for Cash with Brett Scott from 2022-06-22T12:30:39

Wonderful to chat with Brett Scott in advance of his new book "Cloudmoney: Cash, Cards, Crypto and the War for Our Wallets" (Penguin) about the creeping incursions of cashlessness, the naivety o...

Genetic algorithms and limit experiences with Harm van den Dorpel from 2022-05-31T14:39:45

Welcoming crypto art legend and valued Interdependence subscriber Harm van den Dorpel on the podcast to discuss scarcity, genetic algorithms, managing expectations, limit experiences and his upc...

🌀Mayan AI music, ancestral technologies and spirals with Debit 🌀 from 2022-05-17T12:38:45

Celebrating the release of Debit's album "The Long Count", composed using machine learning tools trained on the worlds largest archive of Mayan wind instruments! 

We discuss the genesis of...

Arguing cryptos case in music with the Money 4 Nothing podcast from 2022-05-11T09:32:14

Hi everyone!

Something different this week. After listening to some great episodes pulling apart the Bandcamp Epic Games acquisition and showing some skepticism about Web 3, I approached M...

Prepping for the metaverse with Sterling Crispin from 2022-05-11T09:30:18

We are happy to be back after Mat's COVID trip, discussing art prepping, Sterling's upcoming ArtBlocks piece, and his expert opinions on the state of ML, AR, VR and what is worth watching (and i...

Making Web3 human legible, constructive speculation and the shock of the nude with Context from 2022-04-13T14:39:25

Hey y'all, after many references to this project in previous episodes we are really happy to welcome Adam and Luke from Context!

We discuss their efforts to make Web3 activity legible to h...

Hyperstructures&the future of ZORA with Jacob.eth from 2022-03-10T10:46:18

Jacob from ZORA runs us through his latest essay, Hyperstructures, and the future of ZORA protocol. We pull apart how permissionless protocols and cc0 projects are gathering significant momentum...

Permanently archiving music and its context with Nina from 2022-02-18T03:28:03

A wonderful conversation with Jack Callahan, Eric Farber and Mike Pollard of Nina, who are building a protocol for permanent collections of music on the fast and affordable Solana Blockchain.  Listen

Stories told about technology, context as medium and reanimating dot-com companies with Simon Denny from 2022-02-10T02:36:41

We invited artist Simon Denny over to our studio for the final podcast of the year to go deep on his practice, a commitment to exploring context as a medium, making crypto art and exhibitions be...

Ethereum Energy Numbers are in! Moral calculations and web 3 critiques with Kyle McDonald from 2022-01-11T20:39:18

Big one this week, artist and researcher Kyle McDonald did the gruelling work to calculate the energy and carbon cost of Ethereum, and we try to break down those numbers, calculate their relativ...

Choose your Illusion; financial precarity, meme stocks and disinfo with Ali Breland (Mother Jones) from 2021-12-29T17:38:25

We had a long and wonderful chat with Ali after reading his "Who Goes Crypto?" piece on the increasing number of working people opting into investing money into the casino of crypto and meme sto...

Unlocking a sustainable open source culture, public goods and other interdependencies with Scott Moore (Gitcoin) from 2021-12-17T20:45:56

We've been wanting to have this conversation for some time! Scott Moore joins us to discuss Gitcoin's efforts to sustain open source developers, the emerging culture shock between late 20th cent...

Reputation economies and seeding DAOs with Jess Sloss of Seed Club from 2021-11-30T12:14:06

Wonderful to welcome Jess from Seed club, who help web communities make the transition to member owned DAOs! 

Apply for Seed Club: https://s...

Slaying Moloch, starting the first crypto art registry, Bowie Bonds, Data markets and data unions with Ocean Protocol's Trent McConaghy from 2021-10-28T14:40:34

Slaying Moloch, starting the first crypto art registry, Bowie Bonds, Data markets and data unions with Ocean Protocol's Trent McConaghy

Trent has been very influential to our thinking. The...

The Cold War For Information Technology with former Director of Iskra Delta Janez Skrubej from 2021-10-27T06:00

 In conjunction with this years Ljubljana Biennial of Graphic Arts titled "Iskra Delta "curated by Tjaša Pogačar we interviewed Janez Skrubej, the author of "The Cold War For Information Technol...

Bringing the music industry on-chain with Bruno Guez (Revelator) from 2021-10-12T12:05:21

Hi everyone!! We often have discussions on here about web 3 representing a real opportunity for the independent music industry, and Bruno Guez is an expert on how that might end up transpiring, ...

$5 grad schools, musical bodybuilding, Puerto Rico and crypto concerns with La Meme Young from 2021-09-22T15:22:03

Thrilled to welcome artist, educator and meme master Max Alper (La Meme Young) to join us to discuss running an online art school, sound and meme pedagogy, musical body building and deliver an o...

Synthetic Media, iNFTs, collective characters and prompt engineering with Alethea AI from 2021-08-24T13:58:15

Hey everyone,

thanks again for your support! We have a great cast of people joining us over the next few weeks. In line with our recent emphasis on collective character development, we inv...

Latent Visions, Promptism and the future of AI art with Adverb from 2021-08-17T09:47:04

If you have spent any time online recently, you have no doubt seen an explosion of remarkable images generated from text with Latent Visions, VQGAN and CLIP. We spoke to Adverb, the creator of L...

Daemon, DAO's and Cislunar Exploration with Daniel Suarez from 2021-07-27T12:50:18

Hi everyone, this week we are thrilled to invite author and developer Daniel Suarez, whose self published science fiction book Daemon became a cult success for its hard science fiction depiction...

Approachable AI for music, model markets, new DAWs and Holly+ with Never Before Heard Sounds from 2021-07-14T14:03:51

Super excited to share this one, on the advent of our collaboration for Holly+, we are joined by Chris Deaner and Yotam Mann of Never Before Hear...

Energy Justice and Nuclear Power with Zion Lights from 2021-07-13T15:18:54

Happy to welcome activist and science communicator Zion Lights to discuss Energy Justice, the scientific consensus around Nuclear Power, the shaky morality of Degrowth positions, Greta Thunberg,...

The Wyoming DAO bill, DAO art collections, Autonomous DAOs, DAO templates and more DAOs with Priyanka Desai&Aaron Wright of OpenLaw from 2021-06-22T14:52:16

Continuing our DAO thread we are thrilled to be joined by Aaron & Priyanka of OpenLaw, instrumental in formulating and passing the Wyoming DAO legislation, and stewards of NFT art collection DAO...

Meme analysis, E-deologies, shadow ban paranoia and gamer guild economies with Joshua Citarella from 2021-06-14T01:22:59

Watch Josh's streams: https://www.twitch.tv/joshuacitarella

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Early internet energy panics, Brandolini's Law, and getting the numbers right with Dr. Jonathan Koomey from 2021-05-25T19:43:02

Follow Jon: https://twitter.com/jgkoomey

Turning Numbers into Knowledge: Listen

The album that spawned a transnational decentralized network with Rully Shabara (Senyawa) from 2021-05-21T18:14:50

Rully Shabara: https://www.rullyshabara.id/

Senyawa: https://www.ru...

Weaponized Design, security, vulnerability, and caution over the decentralized web with Cade Diehm (New Design Congress) from 2021-05-11T03:32:37

New Design Congress: https://newdesigncongress.org/en/

On Weaponized Design: Listen

Decentralized scene building, DAO futures and making the internet fun again with Foundation from 2021-04-28T13:19:35

Foundation: https://foundation.app/

Foundation on Twitter: https://twitter.com/w...

Human music curation, non binary thinking, bundles, scarcity and participation with Tony Lashley (Marine Snow) from 2021-04-12T12:21:04

Sign up for updates on the Marine Snow project: https://marine-snow.co/sss

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World Fairs, WorldBuilding, the bicameral mind, the nightmare of organizing research and the art of memory with Kantbot from 2021-04-12T12:12:35

Pseudodoxology Podcast Network: https://www.patreon.com/Pseudodoxia

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Discussing the essay funded via $ESSAY, Scissor Labels and Hyperpop fandoms with John Palmer, Kara Kittel&Toby Shorin (Other Internet) from 2021-03-23T18:20:49

Scissor Labels Essay: https://j.mirror.xyz/RUeJfZEZxr-hkuzUCakQyUuf2kOJVMPPiAWBaQFhhqc

How it...

Radical Transparency, humor>disinformation, poetry for machines, avatar politicians and giving non-human entities a vote with Digital Minister of Taiwan Audrey Tang from 2021-03-22T20:31:56

http://audreyt.org/ <3

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SinoFuturism, AIDOL, NFT Murder Plots and Future Pop Stardom with Lawrence Lek from 2021-03-17T09:23:25

Back in the saddle with Artist and Musician Lawrence Lek for the advent of his latest film AIDOL (2019) and the release of it's wonderful soundtrack on Hyperdub.

We discuss AI Pop Stars, S...

Hope Running, Economic Fiction and MetaModernism with Simon de la Rouviere from 2021-03-17T08:47:35

In celebration of his new book "Hope Runners of Gridlock", we chat to polymath Simon de la Rouviere about designing new economies, never ending stories, Metamodernism and maintaining hope!

Protocols, Permissions and non-human communication with the Indigenous Protocol and Artificial Intelligence Working Group from 2021-02-23T12:34:30

Hello everyone! Over the moon this week to welcome Professor Jason Edward Lewis and Suzanne Kite of the Indigenous Protocol and AI Working group!

We discuss the origins and goals of the pr...

Artist Led Pricing, Scene ownership and defecting from Spotify with Audius from 2021-02-16T18:21:36

In this episode we welcome the full Audius squad, Roneil Rumberg, Forrest Browning and Clayton Blaha to discuss their new music protocol, how it establishes the rails for artist led, rather than...

Good Elitism and The New Philistinism with Eliane Glaser from 2021-01-19T21:41:53

Let's talk about elitism.

Buy Eliane's incredible book Elitism: A Progressive Defense

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Post Capitalist Desire, Melancholy, Psychedelia and Mark Fisher with Matt Colquhoun from 2021-01-13T07:37:46

We welcome author Matt Colquhoun to discuss his release of TWO new books exploring the work of the late, great Mark Fisher.

We discuss Mark's life and legacy, Post Capitalist desire, accel...

Platform co-ops and illusory democratisation with Nathan Schneider from 2020-12-15T14:58:30

Hi everyone

In this episode we welcome Nathan Schneider, professor of media studies at the University...

Artist tokens, Community Owned Institutions and the Reliance Alliance with ZORA from 2020-11-24T19:58:21

Hi everyone!

This week we welcome Dee and Jacob from Zora, a new organisation that is building tools for artists to issue tokens around their creative practices.

We discuss their ide...

This is All Happening Right Now: Solarpunk, cultural fracking and the real Jurassic Park with Jay Springett from 2020-11-17T17:37:32

Back with a conversation with a special person and close friend of the podcast Jay Springett

Jay is a writer, theorist and podcaster who falls into a special category of people where we ca...

Collaborating with the dead, Hildegard of Bingen, genius and villainy with Huw Lemmey (Bad Gays) from 2020-11-10T14:22:14

This week we are thrilled to welcome the author and critic Huw Lemmey in celebration of his new novel Unknown Language,...

A New Club Economy w/ Richie Hawtin from 2020-10-20T16:33:42

The second part of our discussion facilitated in collaboration with Sonar +D and Ars Electronica.

Particularly excited to share this one, where we reflect upon what foundations of the club...

Cyberpunk, Difference Engines and Mad Madge with Bruce Sterling from 2020-09-17T15:41:35

Last night we recorded a long and fun conversation with the Hugo award winning author and futurist Bruce Sterling. As you will hear Bruce has a great deal of knowledge about a great deal of stuf...

Building the Ownership Economy with Jesse Walden (Variant Fund) from 2020-08-18T21:32:44

This week we welcome Jesse Walden, who recently announced the launch of Variant Fund, which looks to support what he describes as “The Ownership Economy”. We discuss Jesse’s background as an art...

Berlin and the New Weird with Elvia Wilk from 2020-08-11T13:05:10

For the second part of our conversation series with contemporary fiction writers we are over the moon to have a chat with Elvia Wilk, who released her debut novel “Oval” last year to great accla...

Interdependence 11: Tim Maughan (Infinite Detail) from 2020-07-28T09:21:12

Since the idea of this podcast first came to mind, we had imagined starting a thread of conversations with fiction authors and artists that in many ways touch on some of issues that we might be ...

Interdependence 10: Tom Gray (PRS) from 2020-06-29T00:30

This week we talk to Director at PRS for music and Gomez songwriter Tom Gray, who, through the #brokenrecord hashtag and other advocacy work has been championing the need for reform the way that...

Interdependence 9: Kate Crawford (AI Now) from 2020-06-22T00:34

In this episode we speak with Kate Crawford, founder of the AI Now Institute and professor who has spent the last decade studying the political implications of data systems, machine learning and...

Interdependence 8: David Turner (Penny Fractions) from 2020-06-15T00:35

In this episode we welcome David Turner, writer and founder of the Penny Fractions newsletter, which holds a critical and often political lens to the latest developments in the music industry. Listen

Interdependence 5 - Liz Pelly from 2020-05-29T00:34

In this episode we speak with the writer Liz Pelly, who over the past 5 years has written a series of revelatory critical pieces about the streaming economy for The Baffler.

We discuss whe...

Interdependence 4 - Jesse Engel (Google Magenta) from 2020-05-22T00:33

In this episode we talk with Jesse Engel, musician, Senior Research Scientist at Google Brain and creative lead of the Magenta project. 

Magenta is an open source research project explorin...

Interdependence 3 - Trevor McFedries (Brud / Lil Miquela) from 2020-05-15T00:35

In this episode we catch up with Trevor McFedries, founder of the meta media studio Brud ( (http://brud.fyi/) ), whose digital avatar artist and influencer Lil Miquela recently caused a stir thr...