In the Trenches 72 - Notre Dame Preview and Carlo Kemp - a podcast by Michigan Sports Network in partnership with Michigan Athletics

With a few days to reflect, Jon breaks down his key observations and thoughts from Saturday's loss to Penn State before turning to this Saturday's primetime matchup with Notre Dame. He discusses all of the key matchups and shares why this rivalry means so much to him. Then, captain Carlo Kemp joins the show to talk Penn State, Ronnie Bell, Notre Dame and this team's identity (19:00). We finish with another edition of "4th and Short" before Jon's Locker Room Speech.

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