#207. Being and Wickedness, Part 1: Zen and the Michigan Motorcycle Murders (Dive Bar) w/ Dr. Katherine Ramsland - a podcast by Lee Mellor

Part 1 of 3. Dr. Katherine Ramsland talks about her journey by motorcycle from Michigan into a lifelong academic fascination with deviant minds. When Lee notes that she could have been a potential victim of serial killer John Norman Collins, Katherine's answer is delightfully surprising.

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