Frosty relations between the ABC and the government show no signs of warming - a podcast by The Age and Sydney Morning Herald

In a wide-ranging Senate estimates hearing on Monday, ABC managing director David Anderson revealed the public broadcaster had agreed to pay $100,000 to Industry Minister Christian Porter’s lawyer Rebekah Giles to settle his defamation case.

Mr Anderson was recalled to face questioning from senators about Mr Porter’s defamation action against the ABC, after appearing earlier this year.

He also faced questions around any influence the government had in the decision to hold back a Four Corners episode exploring the Prime Minister’s ties to a QAnon conspiracy theorist.

Federal political reporter Lisa Visentin covered the hearing and joins Nathanael Cooper on Please Explain to discuss what happened.

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