The Drop: Should we care about the Logies? Plus, The Bear's perfect final course - a podcast by The Age and Sydney Morning Herald

After one of the most controversial Logies in recent memory, Osman, Thomas and Mel discuss whether Australian TV's night-of-nights still matters, and what it tells us about the state of the industry.

They also unpack what Sonia Kruger winning the Gold Logie means, given her controversial comments about Muslim immigration.

Plus, a discussion about the second half of The Bear season two, which Thomas and Osman think could be better than Succession.

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