"This Is Not A Search For The Truth" - a podcast by ABC News

It's getting real now. From the top down and from the bottom up, the consequences of President Donald Trump and his Republican Party continuing to defy reality are making themselves evident. Trump firing a top Homeland Security official for contradicting his unfounded claims about the election, while local Republican officials in Michigan initially refused to certify results -- these mark new lows that threaten to shake the foundations of the electoral process.
Guest: Pennsylvania Lt. Gov. John Fetterman

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