How to develop a security culture, interview with Gert Jan Hofstede - a podcast by Marmalade Box

How to develop a security culture, interview with Gert Jan Hofstede

Understanding the role of culture is crucial if we want to develop a security culture. Especially if we want to have a realistic chance of influencing behaviour, which is probably why we're wanting to develop a security culture in the first place.

This is because culture is like a body of water. If you come at the water from high above at too high a velocity with a massive, weighty body of change, the body of water will act like a slab of concrete. 

You'll get a very different response, however, if you approach the water from a closer range, at a slower speed and with something more streamlined. You’ll glide through to the underside of the water and be able to explore the intricate inner-workings of the ecosystem contained within.

It’s that understanding which will guide your cyber security awareness, behaviour, and culture initiatives towards a greater chance of success.

 

 

Gert Jan Hofstede joins us for a second time on the show for Episode 23 of the Re-Thinking the Human Factor Podcast.

Gert Jan is a population biologist and social scientist hailing from the Netherlands. His research and publications have provided many with deeper understanding in the areas of cultural evolution, societal change, cultural stability, and how those forces interact with and have influence upon one another.

Gert Jan is also known for his work in social simulation as well as for a number of books he has co-written with his father, Geert Hofstede.

 

 

“This is where culture is really at its most useful. To know that similar social results… to take a group where it should go, have to be reached by different ways by different routes in different cultures.”

 

 

JOIN GERT JAN HOFSTEDE AND BRUCE HALLAS AS THEY DISCUSS:

• Brexit, and drawing a comparison between the importance of understanding the cultural dimensions at play in Britain, and likewise, the cultural forces at play in one’s organisation.

 

• The importance of recognising and acknowledging that we don’t even recognise our own cultural biases and the errors that lack of understanding of ourselves can cause.

 

• Increased usage of the word 'culture', especially in job titles, as companies strive to develop a security culture.

 

• How the meaning of the word 'culture' can easily differ from organisation to organisation depending on the broader cultural context of the society in which the organisation is situated. This is because the social and technical systems of an organisation are dovetailed in everyday behavioural dynamics

 

• Along with being cognisant of cultural differences, we also needs to learn how to properly interpret those differences. We have to remember that our brains naturally make quick decisions about people and groups, who’s in and who’s out.

 

• Has culture evolved to help us address our deep seated anxiety about the unknown?
  

 

• The status quo bias - that people stay rooted in doing what they normally do until it gets to the point where it’s a disaster.

 

• You can’t change the culture of a society, but you can change the culture of an organisation, but it’s very hard and takes time.

 

• Influencing an existing culture vs. creating a new security culture, and whether or not one can or should develop a security culture that's separate.

 

• Values dimensions and using a whistleblower. This is an example of how values can influence societal responses to these kinds of people in differing ways depending on the values of the culture within which the whistleblower is situated.

 

• Using a cultural framework to look at incidence reporting in which people report on themselves for their mistakes.

 

• A helpful tip for those working in multicultural environments for working through the behavioural differences they experience.

 

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“I think there’s nothing better than international experience with reflection.”

 

 

RESOURCES AND LINKS FOR FURTHER RESEARCH:

• Gert Jan Hofstede’s first appearance on the Re-Thinking the Human Factor Podcast

 

MORE ABOUT GERT JAN HOFSTEDE:

• LinkedIn
• Website

 

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