'It's going to require an upset' - a podcast by The Age and Sydney Morning Herald

There's a difference between being beaten and bruised, and being beaten but hungry for another shot. Can the Pies knock the reigning premiers out of the finals this Friday night? And how far can the Demons' momentum take them?

Also this week, the Hawks are out of the finals in straight sets, but there's still plenty of optimism around the club. Plus, we talk the AFL's grand final entertainment choices, rule changes for 2019, whispers out of the umpiring department and more.

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