'We've been in the wilderness for such a long time' - a podcast by The Age and Sydney Morning Herald

In the lead-up to the grand final, we're bringing you stories about some of the characters who have shaped Melbourne and the Western Bulldogs.

Today, reporter Daniel Cherny on his chat with former Demons president Joseph Gutnick, who was in charge the last time the club played in a grand final.Read the full story from Daniel Cherny here

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