First Up - The Podcast, Tuesday 4 April - a podcast by RNZ

On today's First Up pod - over 30s can now get their second Covid jab - why is the rollout so low-key this time around? Did yesterday's government announcement about changes to the lobby rules go far enough? We speak to an expert who says, yeah, nah and we ask National's Nicola Willis if it's fair that Stuart Nash is able to join a big lobby firm the day after he leaves Parliament. First Up - Voice of the Nathan!

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