Podcasts by She-Ra: Progressive of Power
A rewatch podcast with a sociopolitical twist. Each week, hosts Lauren Faits and Eric Garneau discuss episodes and issues from the surprisingly progressive 1985 cartoon She-Ra: Princess of Power -- and now its Netflix reboot as well!
Further podcasts by Lauren Faits and Eric Garneau
Podcast on the topic Gesellschaft und Kultur
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"The Sword of She-Ra" - Introduction from 2023-12-13T14:45:17.687811
The premiere episode of She-Ra: Progressive of Power! Longtime fan Eric introduces his cohost Lauren to this wonderful, silly, weirdly relevant 1985 cartoon and the two explore the character of ...
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"Duel at Devlan" - Resistance from 2023-12-13T14:45:17.681808
This week, Lauren and Eric discuss the first episode after She-Ra’s pilot, which, as in most shows, ends up providing a pretty solid template for the rest of the series. She-Ra teaches a village...
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"Book Burning" - Education from 2023-12-13T14:45:17.662597
I’ve heard of ghosted, but guested?? This week, Progressive of Power welcomes its first guest in real-life teacher Tom, a high school science educator from rural IL. Tom tells us what it’s like ...
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"Huntara" - Race from 2023-12-13T14:45:17.593305
This week, we tackle a beloved episode and She-Ra’s biggest issue — representation of anybody who isn’t white. And hey, thanks to Hordak’s evil plot, Fake News is also on the docket! With specia...
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"The Peril of Whispering Woods" - Healthcare from 2023-12-13T14:45:17.574092
The Whispering Woods is broken and so is the way we think about caring for people. This week, Dr. Adam Del Conte joins Lauren and Eric to talk about access to healthcare, how environmentalism re...
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"The Unicorn King" - Animal Rights from 2023-12-13T14:45:17.562918
This week, we’re finally talking about an issue that is (mostly) bipartisan – animal rights! We’ve got special guest zoo professional Jon Meisenbach to share his thoughts on the Horde’s attempte...
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"Enemy with My Face"&"Eye of the Beholder" / Beauty and Goodness from 2023-12-13T14:45:17.533529
Every once in a while, She-Ra reminds us how '80s it is. This week, as we look at how the show (and its brother program Masters of the Universe) treats physical beauty, we get a pretty messed u...
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"Horde Prime Takes a Holiday"&"Bow's Farewell" / Music from 2023-12-13T14:45:17.466825
As we round the corner on season 2, Lauren and Eric wanted to take some time to dive into topics that are especially important to them. This week, Eric's up first with a look at some iconic '80s...
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Season 2 Live Finale/Masters of the Universe (1987) from 2023-12-13T14:45:17.447169
Well, friends, here we are at the end of our second season. Just like last year, we wanted to close out the season with a live finale celebrating our show, our past guests, and our favorite fran...
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Vote // Trailer from 2023-12-13T14:45:17.434753
Lauren and Eric check in with a pre-election message and some initial responses to the Netflix series' promotion! In case you haven't for some reason, you can catch the Dreamworks She-Ra trailer...
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"In the Shadows of Mystacor" Part 1 with Emily Mozartmaid - Continuity from 2023-12-13T14:45:17.354319
In the first of our two-part look at this episode, we talk with Emily Mozartmaid (author of the OTHER political She-Ra project, the She-Ra Ge...
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"The Beacon" with Elizabeth Kresin from 2023-12-13T14:45:17.277131
Art director Elizabeth Kresin joins Lauren and Eric to discuss one of the most emotional and character-driven entries in the first season of Princesses of Power, and we get a look inside the cre...
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"Promise" with Vera M. from 2023-12-13T14:45:17.269920
Two adults who host a She-Ra podcast are at least self-aware enough to know that ultimately, the show's meant for kids. So we decided to interview one! This week, Vera, 8, tells us about why she...
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"The Inverted Pyramid" Actual Play/Tribute to Larry DiTillio, Part 1 from 2023-12-13T14:45:17.192343
The first of a few episodes this season that do a little something different! Longtime She-Ra/He-Man scribe Larry DiTillio passed away in our off season; listeners of this show know the tremendo...
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"White Out" with Trin Garritano from 2023-12-13T14:45:17.154293
We tackle She-Ra's biggest relationship episode yet with, well, a relationship expert -- Trin from the podcast Friendshipping! Get ready for s...
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"Reunion" with Chris Zamiar from 2023-12-13T14:45:17.091033
For this week's season finale, men get emotionally vulnerable as, inspired by Bow's two dads, we talk nontraditional families with special guest Chris Zamiar! Get ready to feel stuff!!
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"The Price of Power" (2019) from 2023-12-13T14:45:17.086544
She-Ra's back and so are we! This week, Lauren and Eric discuss an incredibly dense and rewarding episode that takes a deep dive into Adora's history.
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"Huntara" (2019) with Stephen Poon from 2023-12-13T14:45:17.082471
This week, a classic She-Ra character returns in a version that Lauren and Eric like way way better. Plus, Lauren and guest Stephen Poon recap their visit to She-Ra co-creator J. Michael Straczy...
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"Remember" and the Multiverse with Tim Seeley from 2023-12-13T14:45:17.066734
The incredibly talented Tim Seeley makes a triumphant return to our show to talk about a couple of the comics he's been cooking up lately, including the must-read He-Man and the Masters of t...
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Season 4 Predictions and Fandom with Zack Stiegler from 2023-12-13T14:45:17.056595
We're back! This week, we look forward to season 4 and share our hopes and dreams with Professor of Communications Zack Stiegler, who was kind enough to visit the studio while he was in town for...
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"Coronation" with Rebecca Goldberg from 2023-12-13T14:45:17.051096
Season 4 is here! Join Lauren, Eric, and Rebecca Goldberg, Director of Current Series at Dreamworks Animation, to dive into a big new era for our favorite characters, starting with Glimmer's asc...
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"Protocol" from 2023-12-13T14:45:16.986532
Just like the old days, Lauren and Eric go guestless on this episode to chat about Light Hope, Mara, and our favorite trio of Horde Cadets, including this episode's unlikely hero, the one and on...
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"Hero" with Ben Rathert from 2023-12-13T14:45:16.957441
It's the densest, most continuity-filled episode yet! Our fan and great friend Ben Rathert joins us to talk about the tantalizing backstory of "Hero" and its many questions and answers. Colonial...
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"Destiny Part 2" with Sunna Wehrmeijer from 2023-12-13T14:45:16.936644
It's the season finale, and so much is happening! Also, by fan request, we interview Sunna Wehrmeijer, She-Ra's incredible composer!
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"Stranded" with M. Willis from 2023-12-13T14:45:16.464154
She-Ra goes sci-fi and meets the Star Siblings in this week's episode, where Lauren and Eric are joined by staff writer M. Willis for an in-depth discussion of Bow and Glimmer's reconciliation, ...
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"Shot in the Dark" with Jen Bennett and Kiki Manrique from 2023-12-13T14:45:16.450067
Directors Jen and Kiki return for part two of their interview as Catra adventures with the Best Friends Squad for the first time! We meet the adorable Melog, and Eric and Lauren wade into the fa...
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"Heart Part 2" with AJ Michalka from 2023-12-13T14:45:16.442385
The kiss. Redemption. The power of love. The future. Endings. Plus an interview with the one and only AJ Michalka! We talk Catra (of course), her forthcoming record, AND Celebrity Family Feud. ...
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"What She-Ra Means to Me" featuring a Bunch of Lovely People from 2023-12-13T14:45:16.394785
We're tired of talking. We want to hear from y'all -- the people who really made this iteration of She-Ra something special. About a dozen and a half really incredible, thoughtful, open listener...
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100: "We Say 'Good Journey'" from 2020-09-11T09:00:20
One last spin around the block. We recount the Secret Origin of this podcast, recall our favorite episodes of both our show and the show, and leave with a fun little surprise.
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The Exit Interviews, Part 1 feat. Jen Bennett, Josie Campbell, Phil Lomboy, Noelle Stevenson, Sharon Sun, and M. Willis from 2020-08-21T09:00:40
As we near the end of our podcast, we wanted to put a nice bow on our time covering She-Ra and the Princesses of Power, and fortunately, Dreamworks was down to help! In this, the first of two Tw...
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Flashback Week: "Into the Abyss" (He-Man 1983 -- Eric's favorite episode) from 2020-08-14T09:00:18
Flashback Week ends with a very special episode (at least to one of us) -- Eric's favorite piece of Hemanimation, the 1984 classic "Into the Abyss," a super early look at what a character-driven...
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Flashback Week: "Save Our City" (New Adventures of He-Man -- The Original Mara!) from 2020-08-12T09:00:08
Our tour through He-Men of the past continues with this stop in, uh, the future to check on the origins of Mara. In Dreamworks' She-Ra she was an unforgettable character -- were the '90s as kind...
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Flashback Week: "The Power of Grayskull" (He-Man 2002 - A Different Horde!) from 2020-08-10T09:00:14
Our week of classic flashbacks starts with a look at the rarely discussed 2002 He-Man and the Masters of the Universe reboot! We're discussing the episode "The Power of Grayskull," which contain...
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"Heart Part 1" with Matt Young from 2020-07-31T09:00:02
This week, the incredible Matt Young (Hello from the Magic Tavern, Improvised Star Trek) joins us for a deep chat about what basically becomes Adora's emotional climax for this series. We also t...
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"Return to the Fright Zone" with Bailey Meyers from 2020-07-17T09:00:13
We're stoked to welcome streamer and She-Ra fan Bailey Meyers to the show this week to dive into an episode about friendship, love, helping in any way you can, and I guess learning what Grayskul...
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"An Ill Wind" from 2020-07-10T09:00:27
Lauren and Eric get feisty on this guestless episode that recalls classic She-Ra tropes (remember "Duel at Devlan"?), and then there's some stuff about cancel culture, too. We are not on JK Rowl...
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"Perils of Peekablue" with Kiki Manrique and Jen Bennett from 2020-06-26T09:00:02
Once upon a time, we'd have as many guests on the show at one time as we wanted. It was a lawless period of vigilante podcasting. We return to those days with the first of TWO episodes featuring...
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"Taking Control" with Laura Sreebny from 2020-06-19T09:00:13
This week, staff writer extraordinaire Laura Sreebny joins Lauren and Eric to discuss "Taking Control," a heck of an episode that has serious implications for our friends both in space and on Et...
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"Save the Cat" with Keston John from 2020-06-12T09:00:05
There is SO MUCH to talk about this week. Not only are we rescuing Catra, not only are we fighting against the homogenizing terror of Horde Prime, but we're also talking to Keston John, the incr...
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"Corridors" with James D'Amato from 2020-05-29T09:00:13
The guests are back! This week, friend and roleplay podcaster extraordinaire James D'Amato joins us for a discussion of one of the season's heaviest episodes. We're gonna talk a lot about cults,...
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"Horde Prime" from 2020-05-15T09:00:20
The season premiere is here, and it's all about the terrifying new threat facing Etheria! Lauren and Eric talk about the series' new Big Bad, and a tangent about 90s cartoons gets them thinking ...
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Season 5 Preview, Part 2 - Predictions Bingo from 2020-05-13T09:00:06
In this (much more focused) second half of our return episode, Lauren and Eric generate a literal Bingo card's worth of predictions on what they think will, may, and possibly-but-wouldn't-that-b...
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Season 5 Preview, Part 1 - Catching Up from 2020-05-11T09:00:10
So, uh, it's been a while. This was supposed to be a quick catch-up episode, but it turns out we had a lot to say. Covered here: personal updates, Joe Biden, Shelter-in-Place, The Legend of t...
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"Destiny Part 1" from 2020-01-31T09:00:04
Lauren and Eric have lots to talk about on this week's episode of the podcast, as all of the plot threads for pretty much the entire series coalesce into the season four finale!
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"Beast Island" with Emily S from 2020-01-24T09:00:11
We asked, and the universe answered! This week, a real-live teen enters the studio to talk about their thoughts and feelings about She-Ra and the Princesses of Power! Plus, Micah and Entrapta ar...
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"Fractures" from 2020-01-17T09:00:03
New content is back! This week, Lauren and Eric dive into an episode with lots of EMOTIONS. We talk about fighting with friends, bad guys, and, oh yeah, lots and lots of shipping (and also topic...
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"The Unicorn King" Redux // Eric's Tribute to AC from 2020-01-10T09:00:07
A rerun? I know, I know. Unfortunately Eric couldn't record a new episode this week due to some personal stuff involving his dog, but this podcast episode from the pre-Dreamworks days was on his...
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"Boys' Night Out" with Shane Lynch from 2019-12-27T09:00:05
This week it really is ONE FOR THE BOYS as She-Ra writer/script coordinator Shane Lynch joins us to talk about the music, the feelings, the men, and the women of one of She-Ra's most harrowing e...
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"Mer-Mysteries" with Eric Scull from 2019-12-20T09:00:21
This week, we're delighted to be joined by longtime Harry Potter podcaster Eric Scull (14 years!!) for his first She-Ra experience as we dive into the tangled reef of "Mer-Mysteries." Also, JK R...
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"Princess Scorpia" and the Military with Danny Oliver from 2019-12-13T09:00:19
This week, Scorpia defects, and we talk to retired veteran and RPG author Danny Oliver about his time in the military, diversity in the ranks, and why he saw people leave the armed forces. If yo...
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"Pulse" with Sean Rose from 2019-11-29T09:00:16
This week, we take a dive into some of our favorite major and less-major characters with special guest Sean Rose, creator and host of the podcast Listen
"Flutterina" with Ginny Loveday from 2019-11-22T09:00:15
This week, RPG author/convention organizer Ginny Loveday joins us for a discussion of parties, deception, and a very mean Catra. It's "Flutterina" time!
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"The Valley of the Lost" with Mary Elizabeth McGlynn from 2019-11-15T09:00:12
We're back to the Crimson Wastes this week with special guest Mary Elizabeth McGlynn, She-Ra's voice director and a person with an incredible career in animation (that makes Lauren nerd out a li...
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"The Portal" with Aimee Carrero from 2019-09-13T08:00:09
This week, Lauren and Eric are joined by the one and only Aimee Carrero, the voice of Dreamwork's She-Ra/Adora! Get insight into She-Ra's recording process, Aimee's background in Intern...
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"Moment of Truth" and Fan Art with Fey from 2019-08-30T08:00:01
This week, we discuss the time-honored tradition of fan art with the incredible artist Fey, who, among other things, has made a pretty freaking beautiful She-Ra tarot deck you can see on Listen
Unpacking Power-Con (The Bottle Episode) from 2019-08-23T08:00:01
Technical difficulties pushed our next guested episode to next week, but that's okay! Lauren and Eric have a lot to unpack from the news coming out of last weekend's Power-Con convention, includ...
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"Once Upon a Time in the Waste" with Katie Utke from 2019-08-16T08:00:25
This week, we unpack the rich and evolving Catra/Scorpia dynamic with guest Katie Utke, a student of fan culture, Disney, and especially of queer coding in animation! Plus, New Adventures of...
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"Light Spinner" with Shannon Campe from 2019-06-28T08:00:25
This week, it's all Shadow Weaver all the time as we talk about raising children, power, and trauma with actor and nanny Shannon Campe!
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"For the Honor" RPG with Quinn Bleiler from 2019-06-21T08:00
When one of your listeners reaches out to try out an RPG inspired by She-Ra that she created, you listen! This week, we talk to designers Quinn Bleiler and Keisha Howard about their experience i...
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Lauren and Eric Do LA! with Gregg Goldin from 2019-06-14T08:00
Lauren and Eric finally unpack their trip to visit Dreamworks in Los Angeles last month, AND they get to have a lovely chat with She-Ra's executive in charge of production, Gregg Goldin...
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"Roll with It" with Liz Burton from 2019-05-31T08:00
We all know what a delight this week's episode of Princesses of Power is, right? We're gonna share that delight with special guest Liz Burton from the all-female D&D podcast Listen
"Signals" with Katherine Nolfi from 2019-05-24T08:00
This week, She-Ra and the Princesses of Power staff writer Katherine Nolfi joins Lauren and Eric to talk about "Signals," which brings Hordak out of the shadows and into the narrative ...
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"The Inverted Pyramid" Actual Play/Tribute to Larry DiTillio, Part 2 from 2019-05-17T08:00
The second and final installment of our tribute to co-creator of the original She-Ra series Larry DiTillio finds our adventuring party closing in on the mystery of the Inverted Pyramid. Finally,...
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"Ties That Bind" with Jess Cwik from 2019-05-10T08:00
Our heroes grapple with the meaning of community -- and Glimmer and Bow grapple with a real ethical dilemma -- on this week's episode. Featuring guest Jess Cwik, a lover of She-Ra, an expert on ...
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"The Frozen Forest" and Our Podcast Returns! from 2019-04-26T08:00
Lauren and Eric return for the fourth season of their show with a discussion of the season two premiere of She-Ra and the Princesses of Power, plus a little bit of catching up from the ...
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"The Battle of Bright Moon" with Noelle Stevenson from 2019-02-22T09:00
It's the only way our season could end! Lauren and Eric welcome She-Ra executive producer and showrunner Noelle Stevenson to the pod to chat about nets, real-life villains, rainbows, and so much...
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"Light Hope" with Josie Campbell from 2019-02-15T10:20
The introduction of Light Hope to Princesses of Power brings a lot of surprising and fascinating lore with it. Who better to chat with about her episode, then, than She-Ra story editor and write...
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"No Princess Left Behind" with Rae Geiger from 2019-01-25T08:00
Character designer Rae Geiger joins Lauren and Eric via Skype to chat about their favs Entrapta, Mermista, Olivia Octavius, Kate McKinnon, and a bunch more on this very sweet episode of our show...
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"Princess Prom" with Ashley Demma from 2019-01-18T08:00
This week, Lauren and Eric get fashionable with special guest Ashley Demma, an expert on dress who shares some terrific insight into the formal wear gracing our heroes and villains in one of the...
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"In the Shadows of Mystacor" Part 2 with Rachel Megibow - Self Care from 2019-01-11T16:30
We're heading back to Mystacor for a look at some of the deeper themes of trauma and healing in the episode, including a chat with school psychologist and returning guest Rachel Megibow, who eve...
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Holiday Mailbag! from 2018-12-26T20:28
Lauren and Eric respond to some tweets and emails from fans of the show, including a mea culpa re: our treatment of the topic of veganism last season. Thanks to everyone who continues to write i...
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"System Failure" with Duo Yang from 2018-12-17T23:16
This week, it's Eric's turn to throw some shade as we cover Princess Entrapta's introduction to the squad, "System Failure." Good thing we're joined by the awesome Duo Yang, who goes h...
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"The Sea Gate" with Ryan Ferguson from 2018-12-10T19:31
This week, Lauren, Eric, and guest Ryan Ferguson take on toxic masculinity, finding your tribe, and being "over it" in a discussion of a trio of rich new characters -- Sea Hawk, Mermis...
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"Flowers for She-Ra" with Michael Sherrillo from 2018-11-30T17:14
Illinois Science Council Associate Board president Michael Sherrillo joins Lauren and Eric in the greenest, most political episode yet of She-Ra and...
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"Razz" with Matt Leuck from 2018-11-25T05:45
Vintage toy reseller and longtime She-Ra fan Matt Leuck joins us to chat about the Princesses episode with the strongest connection to the past. Plus, we dive into how political this reboot real...
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"The Sword (Parts 1&2)" Part 1 - with Shelby Mongan&Clint Worthington from 2018-11-17T06:55
She-Ra's back on Netflix, and our show's back for season 3! In the first part of our two-part premiere, we talk with a couple adults -- one television critic, and one longtime Noelle Stevenson f...
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Summer Check-In (Live from an Unfortunate Podcasting Booth) from 2018-08-17T12:45
Lauren and Eric pop back for a summer check-in on the unveiled Netflix designs, the forthcoming Power of Grayskull documentary, and any reasonably good political news they can scrounge up. DISC...
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Looking Forward, But Better from 2018-05-25T19:45
Turns out we released last week's prediction episode a little too early. This week, Lauren and Eric jump back into the studio for a better-informed look ahead at the Netflix reboot based on last...
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Looking Forward from 2018-05-18T13:15
This week, Lauren and Eric share their thoughts and hopes on the forthcoming Netflix She-Ra reboot. From politics to cast size to serialization to fan culture, let's all look forward together, h...
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"Jungle Fever"&"Sweet Bee's Home" / Costuming from 2018-05-11T14:00
This week, Lauren dives into her expertise in costuming as we analyze the function & fashion of the clothing of Etheria. If you ever wanted a shortcut to understanding effective costume desi...
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"The Mines of Mondor," "Micah of Bright Moon," "For Want of a Horse" / Social Inequality and Property from 2018-04-27T13:15
Even in the far-off fantasy land of Etheria, society's stratified in a way that values status and possession. This week, we look at three episodes that show how nobility is falsely valued, how a...
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"The Reluctant Wizard," "The Caregiver," "Romeo and Glimmer" / Allyship&Defectors from 2018-04-20T16:00
This week, we look at three episodes that can teach us a little something about giving people the space to change with special guest Jeffrey Johnson. Whether it's your parents, your romantic int...
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"The Red Knight," "The Laughing Dragon," "Portrait of Doom" / Self-Image&Health from 2018-04-13T14:30
This week, strength training podcaster Bryan Duff joins Lauren and Eric to talk about self-confidence and strength in a world of Charles Atlases. Bryan's one of the hosts of the podcast Average ...
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"The Eldritch Mist," "The Price of Power," "Of Shadows and Skulls" / Shadow Weaver Spotlight from 2018-03-30T14:30
Since the beginning of this show, Shadow Weaver has been Lauren and Eric's favorite character. This week, it's all about her and a bevy of issues she touches -- the intersection of science and r...
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"Loo-Kee Lends a Hand"&"Loo-Kee's Sweety" / Morals&Ethics from 2018-03-23T14:45
After a season of making fun of Loo-Kee, Lauren and Eric thought it was time to give him the attention he and his end-of-show moralizing deserves. Appropriately, we brought along an ethics profe...
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The Toys That Made Us / Marketing&Branding from 2018-03-16T14:15
NEW TO THE NERDOLOGUES! SEASON TWO PREMIERE! Lauren and Eric look at the very beginning of He-Man and She-Ra and consider the recent Netflix documentary The Toys That Made Us with special guests...
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"A Christmas Special" - Holiday Traditions from 2017-12-22T22:00
The only way the season could end! Guests JB Anderton, Dean Neilly, and Rachel Pitt join Lauren and Eric to discuss a wide swath of holiday traditions and their media representation against the ...
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"Black Snow" - Propaganda from 2017-12-15T20:45
Lauren finally gets to meet one of She-Ra’s colorful friends as we travel to Frosta’s Kingdom of Snows for a brewing conflict with the Selkies over some Horde trickery. Russia’s on the table, an...
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"Unexpected Ally" - Finding Common Ground from 2017-11-24T20:00
This week, the Rebels find a friend in an unlikely place, and Lauren and Eric discuss the potentials and limits of finding real-life allies from across the aisle. Is John McCain an actual Genera...
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"My Friend, My Enemy" - Empathy from 2017-11-17T19:45
Skeletor drops in on Etheria with the most dastardly plan of all: EVIL PIE. Someone has to cry for Hordak, and we discuss the social and political value of empathy. Featuring special guest eleme...
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"Just Like Me" - Heroism&Responsibility from 2017-11-10T19:30
This week, we look at an under-the-radar gem of the She-Ra series that teaches kids everywhere how important it is to play to their own strengths, even if they can’t lift tanks over their head l...
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"The Rock People" - Assimilation from 2017-10-27T19:00
What happens when a group of spacefaring rocks that transform into pacifist humanoids try to immigrate to Etheria? What a hot topic! Plus we welcome guest Christina Bailey, who speaks on her own...
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"Play It Again, Bow"&"Treasure of the First Ones" - Art from 2017-10-20T18:45
This week: Hordak treasures guns, Madame Razz runs into an ex, and, in an episode about the power of art to resist, we once again confront Confederate monuments. Plus, we welcome special guest M...
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"The Price of Freedom" - Privilege from 2017-10-13T18:30
This week, we look at the most beloved of all She-Ra episodes, and Eric lays out his idea that the relationship between He-Man and She-Ra perfectly displays male privilege. Also, Loo-Kee really ...
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"The Crystal Castle"&"Troll's Dream" - The Other from 2017-09-29T18:00
This week, it’s crystals galore as the Rebels find the Crystal Castle and then battle the Crystal Spider. But they’re also battling their own bias towards Etheria’s poor Trolls. Quoth episode wr...
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"A Loss for Words" - Free Speech from 2017-09-22T17:45
This week, Shadow Weaver steals the Rebellion’s ability to speak, and Lauren and Eric discuss one of the most contentious (and most misunderstood) issues in politics today. Oh boy. In the show, ...
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"The Sea Hawk"&"Return of the Sea Hawk" - Gender Roles from 2017-09-15T17:30
This week, we’re taking on the episodes routinely referred to as the “romance” shows. Adora gets a boyfriend — or does She-Ra? What do we think of Sea Hawk’s portrayal and, more importantly, Ado...
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