The New Corporation writer, Joel Bakan, on Personhood, Psychopaths and Why the World Won’t be Saved by “Nice Corporations.” - a podcast by Mark Leiren-Young | Oceans, orcas, eco-ethics and the environment.

Joel Bakan, co-director of The New Corporation, on his Unfortunately Necessary Sequel, why corporations aren’t our friends and the reason corporations are considered persons, but orcas aren’t.



















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0:00- Intro

5:54- Where the original idea for The Corporation came from.

9:15- Why The Corporation unfortunately required a sequel 10 years later.

12:41- “This new movement on the part of corporations to be good, in the new film and in the book, we basically say that it's very similar to the charm of the psychopath. You know, the first film we show that the corporation is a psychopath. One of the points in the second film is it's found its charm.”

20:57- “We can't ignore COVID, and not only can we not ignore COVID because it is a major event. But we can't ignore COVID because it's a major event that ties into every single theme that we look at in this film, both in terms of the difficulties and challenges of corporate power, and the way it corrodes society and democracy.”

25:35- How come corporations receive personhood and animals don’t?

38:15- “What the orcas don't have is power and dominion over the human societies that do have power and dominion. In a way they're victims of colonialism, an imposition of a legal system.”

41:09- Discussing the anthropocentric qualities of the legal system and laws.

45:17- The self-governance of corporations and what that means for the environment.

50:10- “Just speaking from a personal perspective, there's really no point, in my view, in doing this kind of work if I don't have hope. I mean,

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