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Three friends get together each week and start talking Tolkien. Tolkien Expert Katie Sabo, casual fan Jon Cox, and newbie Chase Smith spend each week talking through these books chapter by chapter. A great book club experience, this show offers a conversational and fun way to read along!
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Talking Tolkien Reunion Special from 2021-02-18T22:27:31
Join Katie, Chase, and Juliana in this one-time-only reunion of the Talking Tolkien crew!
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Here at the End of All Things from 2016-11-10T12:00
I am glad that you're here with us, listeners, here at the end of all things. Join Katie and Jonathan as we discuss what it means to have read the Silmarillion, the Hobbit, and the Lord of the Ring...
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RotK Part 20: Concerning a Return of a King from 2016-11-03T11:00
We finally watch the last movie in the Lord of the Rings film trilogy, and Katie and Jonathan have a lot to talk about. The movie makes a lot of changes—some good, some bad, and some just for the s...
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RotK Part 19: Concerning The Final Hours of the Fellowship from 2016-10-13T11:00
The final chapter of the Lord of the Rings has been read and Jonathan, Katie and Chase have completed what they set out to do. They follow Frodo and Sam as they rebuild the Shire after the events o...
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RotK Part 18: Concerning Never Really Returning Home from 2016-10-06T11:00
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RotK Part 17: Concerning Another Night in Bree from 2016-09-29T11:00
The hobbits and Gandalf continue on towards the Shire. However, they have to make a stop in the village of Bree to talk with a certain owner of a certain Pony themed inn. Jonathan, Katie and Chase ...
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RotK Part 16: Concerning Retracing Steps from 2016-09-22T11:00
The end of the Fellowship has finally arrived. The day all dread is here and it takes the form of marching back through Rohan, Isengard and eventually arriving in In Rivendale. Jonathan, Katie and ...
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RotK Part 15: Concerning A New Age of Man from 2016-09-15T11:00
The king is returning to Minas Tirith with the Fellowship of the Ring in tow. Meanwhile, two people still in
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RotK Part 14: Concerning The Notion That It Was A Dream from 2016-09-08T11:00
And like that, the dark lord of Mordor, Sauron, was gone from Middle-Earth. The Fourth Age has dawned, and our heroes get some well earned rest, but much awaits the Fellowship of the Ring in this n...
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RotK Part 13: Concerning A Real Hero of Middle-Earth from 2016-09-01T11:00
Sam and Frodo reach the slopes of Mount Doom, bur Frodo is far too weak to climb the volcano. The Ring is too much of a burden on his mind. What is Sam to do other than pull Frodo to the top and be...
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RotK Part 12: Concerning a Living Mordor from 2016-08-25T11:00
This week, Sam and Frodo trudge through the land of darkness towards Mount Doom. However, they and Jonathan, Katie and Chase make some revelations about the land of Mordor along the way. This inclu...
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RotK Part 11: Concerning The Beginning of the End from 2016-08-18T11:00
Sam steps into Mordor and it is a sight to behold. The land is churning and dark, but he can not dwell on these things for long. He still has master Frodo to save from a nearby tower. Jonathan, Kat...
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RotK Part 10: Concerning The Black Teeth of Mordor from 2016-08-11T11:00
Gandalf, Aragorn and the remaining Fellowship of the Ring march to the Black Gate of Mordor to force Sauron to atone for his crimes against Middle-Earth and to give Frodo some much needed time. Jon...
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RotK Part 9: Concerning Final Deceptions from 2016-08-04T11:00
The battle of Minas Tirith is over and it is now time to prepare for the War of the Ring. Aragorn, Gandalf and other leaders talk in secret to figure out what their final plans will be to take down...
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RotK Part 8: Concerning The Healing Hands of a King from 2016-07-28T11:00
We return to Merry after slaying the Witch King as he wanders around Minas Tirith in a daze. Also, Aragorn enters the city not as a king, but rather the leader of his order of Rangers so he can mak...
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RotK Part 7: Concerning The Burning of a Steward from 2016-07-21T11:00
The battle of Minas Tirith is getting out of Gandalf's control which leads to a difficult choice for him to make. Either go out in the field and help the riders of Rohan, or follow Pippin to stop D...
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RotK Part 6: Concerning The Slaying of a King from 2016-07-14T11:00
The Battle of Pelennor Fields is ranging outside of Minas Tirith and what started as a joyful decimation of evil has turned into a desperate onslaught. Dernhelm, Merry and Theoden encounter the Wit...
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RotK Part 5: Concerning A Change In The Wind from 2016-07-07T11:00
The Rohirrim march ever closer to Minas Tirith which is still being attacked by the armies of Sauron and is ready to fall. After talking with the men of woods outside of Gondor, Theoden is losing h...
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RotK Part 4: Concerning The Full Might of Mordor from 2016-06-30T11:00
The siege of Gondor is underway as Denethor reveals his true delusional self and Gandalf and Faramir try to defend the city. Jonathan, Katie and Chase dig in deep and discuss the nature of Denethor...
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RotK Part 3: Concerning The Dark Dawn from 2016-06-23T11:00
Rohan is now shrouded in darkness like the rest of Middle-Earth. This serves as an ill omen to the people of Rohan and a reminder that war is coming. Theoden begins his march for Gondor with Merry ...
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RotK Part 2: Concerning The Grey Company from 2016-06-16T11:00
Jonathan, Katie and Chase journey in to the Paths of the Dead with Aragorn, Legolas and Gimili. They venture on to discover a secret weapon that can take down the armies of Mordor. The nature of le...
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RotK Part 1: Concerning A Man Who Loved His Son from 2016-06-09T11:00
Gandalf and Pippin reach the awe inspiring city of Minas Tirith on this week's new episode which is also our first episode covering the Return of the King. It has been a long time coming, but Jonat...
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The Two Towers Part 21: Concerning A Couple of Towers from 2016-06-02T11:00
To round out our discussion on the Two Towers we watched and discussed the 2002 film version. We talk about pacing, jumping genres and how very special Brad Dourif is to Chase. We also get ready fo...
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The Two Towers Part 20: Concerning Impossible Fights from 2016-05-26T11:00
We reach the final chapter of the Two Towers this week, and it is focused on Sam and the many choices that lie ahead of him. As the last member of the Fellowship marches forward, he realizes that h...
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The Two Towers Part 19: Concerning Her Vomit Darkness from 2016-05-19T11:00
This week, Sam, Frodo and Gollum dive deep into Shelob's Lair and discover the horrible smells and death that lies within. Jonathan, Katie and Chase join them in the darkness and also discuss their...
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The Two Towers Part 18: Concerning All We Feel About Samwise from 2016-05-12T13:22:14
As Frodo and Sam creep ever closer to Mordor, Jonathan, Katie and Chase come to terms with how they feel about these characters. Also, the trio pass Minas Morgul and there is a discussion about the...
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The Two Towers Part 17: Concerning a Failure of Communication from 2016-05-05T11:00
Frodo, Sam and Gollum leave the company of Faramir and his men. They set off across the wilderness towards Mordor, but everything is different. The Geography and weather seem to be shifting as this...
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The Two Towers Part 16: Concerning Silver Fishies from 2016-04-28T11:00
After a rude awakening, Frodo is taken to a secret pool where Gollum is trespassing. Faramir is ready to kill the fiend, but Frodo has to persuade him to not end Gollum's life. Jonathan, Katie and ...
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The Two Towers Part 15: Concerning The Window On To The West from 2016-04-21T11:00
Frodo and Sam are now under the care of a young captain of Gondor, Faramir. Faramir is curious about what brings two hobbits out in to the wilds, but are Frodo and Sam willing to divulge their true...
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The Two Towers Part 14: Concerning PO-TA-TOES! from 2016-04-14T11:00
Sam is hungry, and not for any more of that lame Lambis bread! He asks Gollum if he could possibly find anything suitable in the wilds for Hobbits to eat. Also, Sam and Frodo encounter some unlikel...
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The Two Towers Part 13: Concerning the Black Gates of Mordor from 2016-04-07T11:00
Frodo and Sam have reached the Black Gates of Mordor and thus the end of their journey! No, not really. The Black Gates are impossible to get through, but Gollum has other routes for them to take. ...
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The Two Towers Part 12: Concerning Festering Bogs from 2016-03-31T11:00
Sam, Frodo and a newly tamed Gollum make their way across the marsh leading to the Black Gates of Mordor. Jonathan, Katie and Chase join them just as they are so close yet so far from their ultimat...
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The Two Towers Part 11: Concerning Ninnyhammers and Noodles! from 2016-03-24T11:00
At the beginning of Book 4 of the Lord of the Rings, we reconnect with Frodo and Sam in the mountains at the edge of a disgusting marsh. Out in the wilds they discover new aspects of themselves, "m...
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The Two Towers Part 10: Concerning Long Distance Communications from 2016-03-17T11:00
Pippin's curiosity is keeping him awake as the fellowship rest on their journey back to Helm's Deep. He learns very quickly why it is not always a good idea to seek out trouble. Jonathan, Katie and...
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The Two Towers Part 9: Concerning Saruman's Magic from 2016-03-10T12:00
This week, the men of Rohan and the newly reunited fellowship seeking out Saruman in his tower for one final conversation. But are the men and Hobbits too weak for the power of Isengard? That and m...
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The Two Towers Part 8: Concerning the Razing of Isengard from 2016-03-03T12:00
Merry and Pippin offer Chase and the fellowship some wonderful exposition
as to what happened during the Ent march on Isengard...
The Two Towers Part 7: Concerning After Battle Libations from 2016-02-25T12:00
The Fellowship marches to Isengard, but not for war. Gandalf wishes to meet with Saruman one last time before they move on. They also encounter some unlikely friends along the way. Jonathan, Katie ...
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The Two Towers Part 6: Concerning Helm's Deep from 2016-02-18T12:00
As the fellowship remnant and the Riders of Rohan reach the ancient hold of Helm's Deep, Gandalf once again has to leave and take care of other affairs. Jonathan, Katie and Chase hold down as the t...
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The Two Towers Part 5: Concerning the King of the Golden Hall from 2016-02-11T12:00
Gandalf and team reach the Golden Hall, but the king of Rohan, Theoden is not quite as kingly as he should be. A snake has embedded himself among the people of Rohan and it will take the White Wiza...
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The Two Towers Part 4: Concerning the White Rider from 2016-02-04T12:00
The search for Merry and Pippin leads Gimli, Legolas and Aragorn into the Fangorn forest, but an old friend returns to them at the "turn of the tide." Jonathan, Katie and Chase comb through this ex...
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The Two Towers Part 3: Concerning the Last March of the Ents from 2016-01-28T12:00
The lost hobbits meet some living trees, start a war with them and Jonathan is stuck in the middle of #Snowpocalypse2016. Katie and Chase hold down the fort and throw around some tremendous tree pu...
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The Two Towers Part 2: Concerning The Orc Chain of Command from 2016-01-21T12:00
The Hobbits, and by Hobbits we mean Merry and Pippin, are the hostages of many hundreds of Orcs that are running across Rohan. Jonathan, Katie and Chase join them just as Pippin is trying to piece ...
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The Two Towers Part 1: Concerning The Race to Save Hobbits from 2016-01-14T12:00
Talking Tolkien returns to Middle-Earth as they kick this year off by starting part two of J.R.R. Tolkien's epic, The Two Towers. Jonathan, Katie and Chase join the remnants of the fellowship as th...
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FotR Part 19: Concerning a Fellowship of a Ring from 2016-01-07T12:00
This is our final episode of Talking Tolkien covering J.R.R. Tolkien's Fellowship of the Ring. This week, Jonathan, Katie and Chase watched the 2001 film version of The Fellowship of the Ring and d...
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Special: Happy Birthday to J.R.R. Tolkien and to Us from 2016-01-03T12:00
Today is the 124th birthday of J.R.R. Tolkien and it is also the first anniversary of our humble podcast. We present you a short special where we celebrate Professor Tolkien's birthday and a year o...
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FotR Part 18: Concerning Parting Ways from 2015-12-31T12:00
This week we witness the final moments of the Fellowship as they begin to go separate ways. Frodo and Sam will be making their way to Mordor alone as we finish the Fellowship of the Ring and move o...
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FotR Part 17: Concerning the Passage of Time from 2015-12-24T12:00
The Fellowship make their way down a treacherous river on boats given to them by the elves. Danger and evil are all around them as they have to make a decision that will alter the course of their j...
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FotR Part 16: Concerning Swan Boats from 2015-12-17T12:00
This week, the Hobbits and their Fellowship leave the elves, but not without accepting their gifts first. Also, Katie reminds us all of some deep ties to the Silmarillion, Jon notes about the natur...
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FotR Part 15: Concerning Events That Have Not Come to Pass from 2015-12-10T12:00
The Fellowship rest with the elves that reside deep in the forest. Frodo and Sam spend time with an old friend of the series, Galadriel. You might remember her from the Silmarillion where she playe...
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FotR Part 14: Concerning the Beasts of Melkor from 2015-12-03T12:00
The fellowship suffers a loss that is felt deeply by Jonathan and Katie on this week's podcast. Chase also felt something as well, but it is was more shock than anything. On this week's episode, we...
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FotR Part 13: Concerning The Dark Places of the World from 2015-11-26T12:00
The Fellowship were defeated by the mountain, but now they aim to make it to the other side through the mines of Moria. Jonathan, Katie and Chase travel with them to an ancient city in the deepest ...
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FotR Part 12: Concerning Deadly Mountains from 2015-11-19T12:00
The one ring and Frodo are finally heading south to Mordor with his marry band of wizards, elves, dwarfs and humans. However, hardships take them over as they try to cross over the mountains. Jonat...
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FotR Part 11: Concerning Lengthy Meetings About Evil Rings from 2015-11-12T12:00
The Council of Elrond is underway in Rivendell and representatives of all the people of Middle-Earth are there to discuss the One Ring. Jonathan, Katie and Chase join them with one of the longest e...
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FotR Part 10: Concerning Rivendell from 2015-11-05T12:00
Frodo and his troop of Hobbits reach Rivendell just in time to save his life. Also in Rivendell is Gandalf and our old friend Bilbo. Jonathan, Katie and Chase discuss elven magic and other things o...
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FotR Part 9: Concerning Frodo's Desperate Flight from 2015-10-29T11:00
A wounded and sickly Frodo makes a desperate journey to Rivendell on the back of a magical horse. Also, a figure from the Silmarillion returns to confuse Chase and lead to theories about the nature...
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FotR Part 8: Concerning Weathertop from 2015-10-22T11:00
Our hobbits, now in the company of Strider, wake up the next morning in Bree at the Inn of the Prancing Pony to discover that their fear of the dark riders is too close for comfort. Together they s...
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FotR Part 7: Concerning Strider from 2015-10-15T11:00
The troop of hobbits have finally reached the town of Bree and plan to rest in the Inn of the Prancing Pony. However, a dark figure is already there to meet with them and discuss the future of thei...
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FotR Part 6: Concerning a Fatty Lumpkin! from 2015-10-08T11:00
Once again, Frodo and his marry band of hobbits can not seem to stay out of trouble on this week's episode! Jonathan, Katie and Chase follow the troop into a weird hidden realm and Tom Bombadil unv...
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FotR Part 5: Concerning Tom Bombadils from 2015-10-01T11:00
Tom Bombadil is a fascinating weirdo, but he sure is lovable. This week, Jonathan, Chase and Katie spend the entire episode talking about this odd figure in the Lord of the Rings and his impact on ...
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FotR Part 4: Concerning Friendly Conspiracies from 2015-09-24T11:00
Happy Tolkien Week! This week we celebrate the publication of The Hobbit as well as Bilbo and Frodo's birthdays. Our hobbits continue their journey after a scary midnight run-in with Merry. However...
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FotR Part 3: Concerning Night Walks from 2015-09-17T11:00
The journey of Frodo and Sam to the cracks of Mt. Doom has begun...with a seemingly delightful night walk through the forests of the Shire with their friend Pippin. However, a dark figure or figure...
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FotR Part 2: Concerning a Ring of Power from 2015-09-10T11:00
This week is the return of the lore of the ring as Frodo is informed by Gandalf about his mystical ring of power. Jonathan, Katie and Chase discuss foreshadowing and the prospect of deal a stupidly...
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FotR Part 1: Concerning Hobbit Parties from 2015-09-03T11:00
Nearly nine months of Talking Tolkien have finally lead us to The Lord of the Rings: the Fellowship of the Ring! Jonathan, Katie and Chase kick off a new book with facts about book editions, some m...
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The Hobbit Part 14: An Unexpected Feeling of Disgust from 2015-08-27T11:00
This week on Talking Tolkien, Jonathan, Katie and Chase wasted an evening and watched The Hobbit: The Battle of Five Armies. They spent 24 minutes in depression and sorrow for having to watch such ...
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The Hobbit Part 13: An Unexpected Calm Ride Home from 2015-08-20T11:00
This is the final episode of Talking Tolkien that involves the wonderful book, The Hobbit. Jonathan, Katie and Chase reminiscence on the experience of re-reading and reading the book for the first ...
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The Hobbit Part 12: An Unexpected Bloody Mess from 2015-08-13T11:00
The Battle of Five Armies is here to over take the Lonely Mountain and drive the Dwarves out, or one could just get hit on the head and miss the whole thing. Jonathan, Katie and Chase break down th...
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The Hobbit Part 11: An Unexpected Dragon Killer from 2015-08-06T11:00
Smaug, the oh so terrible worm, can not stop the arrows of a random grim faced dude living in Lake town. Jonathan, Katie and Chase follow Bard as he leads his people away from the Long Lake and the...
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The Hobbit Part 10: An Unexpected Desolation from 2015-07-30T11:00
Not every experience of Talking Tolkien has to be a positive one. Some times Jonathan, Katie and Chase have to sit through a boring, convoluted and dreadful Hobbit movie. This week, they watched Th...
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The Hobbit Part 9: An Unexpected Horse-Sized Duck from 2015-07-23T11:00
This week's chapter of the Hobbit proved to be shorter than Jonathan, Katie and Chase's expectations. The Dwarves and Hobbit continue waiting at the Lonely Mountain. While they wait the Talking Tol...
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The Hobbit Part 8: An Unexpecting Dragon from 2015-07-16T11:00
This week on Talking Tolkien, the company of dwarves and hobbit reach the Lonely Mountain. They also encounter a slumbering dragon living in the depths of the settlement. A fairly sick chase joins ...
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The Hobbit Part 7: An Unexpected Warm Welcome from 2015-07-09T11:00
Katie returns on this week's episode of Talking Tolkien. Jonathan, Katie and Chase cover chapters 9-10 of the Hobbit. The company of Dwarves are captured by the Wood-Elf King and it is going to tak...
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The Hobbit Part 6: An Unexpected Bear-Man from 2015-07-02T11:00
This week's episode of Talking Tolkien only features Jonathan and Chase as they dive into chapters 7 and 8 of the The Hobbit. The Company of Dwarves, Hobbit and Wizard encounter a curious man at th...
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The Hobbit Part 5: An Unexpected Journey from 2015-06-25T11:00
This is a very special episode of Talking Tolkien for it is the crew's very first video episode. This week Jonathan, Katie and Chase watched the Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey and broke down what th...
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The Hobbit Part 4: An Unexpected Eagle Savior from 2015-06-18T11:00
This is the final chapter of The Hobbit that the Talking Tolkien crew are going to cover before watching and talking about the first Hobbit movie. The Dwarves, wizard and Hobbit end up at the top o...
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The Hobbit Part 3: An Unexpected Preciousssss from 2015-06-11T11:00
The Dwarves and Hobbit find themselves lost under the Misty Mountains with a horde of Goblins and a nasty creature that you all might already know. Jonathan, Katie and Chase cut through the darknes...
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The Hobbit Part 2: An Unexpected Pony Ride in May from 2015-06-04T11:00
This week, our company of Dwarves and Hobbit find themselves caught up in a group of hungry trolls and are nearly squashed into jelly. Jonathan, Katie and Chase reflect on the nature of Elves after...
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The Hobbit Part 1: An Unexpected Coffee Party from 2015-05-28T11:00
It is finally here! The very first episode of Talking Tolkien: The Hobbit. This was a super enjoyable chapter as Jonathan, Katie and Chase experience the Shire, and the good food of the Hobbits. Oh...
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The Silmarillion Part 17: Of the Lore of the Rings from 2015-05-14T11:00
This is it. After this episode about the Rings of Power and the Third Age Jonathan, Katie and Chase will be officially done talking about the Silmarillion. Next week they will be starting the Hobbit.
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The Silmarillion Part 16: Of the Númenóreans from 2015-05-07T11:00
Númenor seemed like a nice place until a Dark Lord decided to tear the down will of the people living there and pushed them into war with the gods. That, an island full of corgis and more on this w...
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The Silmarillion Part 15: Of the Tying Up of the Loose Ends from 2015-04-30T11:00
Jonathan Cox, Katie Sabo, and Chase Smith have finally reached the end of the Silmarillion proper with Chapter 24. For all intents and purposes they are now done with the Silmarillion and spend the...
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The Silmarillion Part 14: Of the Fall of Elven Strongholds from 2015-04-23T11:00
This is it, the home stretch to the end of the Silmarillion. This week Jonathan Cox, Katie Sabo and Chase Smith talk about chapters 22 and 24 of the Silmarillion which are about the fall of Doriath...
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The Silmarillion Part 13: Of the Children of Húrin from 2015-04-16T11:00
This week's episode of Talking Tolkien is the longest one yet. We read chapter 21 of the Silmarillion and talked about Turin and his many names along with his brain washed sister. What follows was ...
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The Silmarillion Part 12: Of the Battle Where Everyone Got Betrayed from 2015-04-09T11:00
We only cover one chapter of the Silmarillion this week on Talking Tolkien. Chapter 20, Of the Fifth Battle: Nirnaeth Arnoediad is epic and crazy and some horrible events take place. Tolkien expert...
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The Silmarillion Part 11: Of Beren and Lúthien from 2015-04-02T11:00
Previously on Talking Tolkien, Tolkien Experts Katie Sabo and Jon Cox had pushed for 2 chapters per episode. This week the are covering only one chapter from the Silmarillion. Chapter 19, the love ...
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The Silmarillion Part 10: Of the Coming of Men from 2015-03-26T11:00
Epic battles, awesome women leading whole villages and great big bushy beards on this week's episode of Talking Tolkien with Tolkien experts Katie Sabo and Jon Cox and not so newbie Chase Smith. Th...
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The Silmarillion Part 9: Of Maeglin from 2015-03-19T11:00
This week on Talking Tolkien, people feast after a glorious battle, then they feast some more. Also a woman gets lost in the woods and is seduced by a creepy elf. That weirdness and more on this we...
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The Silmarillion Part 8: Of the Return of the Noldor from 2015-03-12T11:00
Epic battles! Dragons! Geography! The Silmarillion just got much more exciting on this week's episode of Talking Tolkien with Tolkien Experts Jon Cox and Katie Sabo, and newbie Chase Smith. Things ...
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The Silmarillion Part 7: OF MEN! from 2015-03-05T12:00
Men have finally arrived/awoken on Middle-Earth thanks to the creation of the Sun and the Moon. That's right, The Silmarillion continues to be a crazy adventure for Jon, Katie and Chase as they tal...
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The Silmarillion Part 6: Of the Flight of the Noldor from 2015-02-26T12:00
The peaceful world of the elves crumbles on this week's episode of Talking Tolkien. Tolkien Experts Jon and Katie guide Chase through the dark times of the Silmarillion chapters 9 and 10 where elve...
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The Silmarillion Part 5: Of the Silmarils from 2015-02-19T12:00
This week on Talking Tolkien, the events of the Silmarillion get hairy as Jon, Katie and Chase dive into the deception of Melkor. Also, the creation of the Silmarils by Fëanor and the destruction o...
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The Silmarillion Part 4: Of Fëanor from 2015-02-12T12:00
Talking Tolkien continues with Chapters 5 and 6 of The Silmarillion. Our Tolkien experts Katie Sabo and Jon Cox walk Chase Smith through the complicated families of the Noldor after they have left ...
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The Silmarillion Part 3: Of the Coming of Elves from 2015-02-05T12:00
Tolkien Talk continues with Chapters 3 and 4 of The Silmarillion. Tolkien experts Katie Sabo and Jon Cox enlighten Chase Smith with the tales of the coming of Elves to Middle-Earth and the imprison...
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The Silmarillion Part 2: Of the Beginning of Days from 2015-01-29T12:00
The Tolkien experts Katie Sabo and Jon Cox and newbie Chase Smith return to the beginning of Middle-Earth with the first and second chapters of The Silmarillion. In this episode they cover the comi...
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The Silmarillion Part 1: Of Introductions and the Time Of Music from 2015-01-03T12:00
Tolkien Experts Jonathan Cox and Katie Sabo are enlightening Chase Smith who is ignorant of Tolkien’s work. They start with the Middle-Earth creation myth of Ainulindalë and the listing of minor de...
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