The Five Frogs - a podcast by Drew Kugler

This episode explores one essential distinction we must make when pursuing real change. Think about where you spent your three hours in shock on January 6 - what have you done about what you've seen and felt since?

Please also see this article by Ibram X. Kendi and video by Andrew Marantz for additional insight on what we all saw and how we talk about it.

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