Episode 055 - Darcia Narvaez on socialization and isolation - a podcast by Paul Giesting, William Schmitt

from 2019-04-15T06:00

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Find Darcia's writings and resources across the internet:


Faculty website


Author website


Resource Page at Psychology Today


Topics we discussed in this podcast:


The human need for socialization from the very beginning, and ways that goes awry in contemporary society.


Things we can do to learn some of these lessons later in life:


  • Self-calming via breathing, meditation, prayer. (Does our contemporary culture of outrage stem from a lack of the ability to calm ourselves that we are meant to learn starting in infancy?)

  • Build a social network. We were meant to have interaction with an extended family that spans all age ranges for proper socialization. It's not too late to play with children, talk to the elderly, interact with people at other stages of life.

  • Learn new languages and interact with people in different cultures. What are their reasons for doing the things that they do?

  • Spend time with nature.

  • Practice going outside yourself, defusing rigid thinking and attachment to "it has to be done this way." Intelligence is a measure of flexibility as much as anything.


Bill asked about social media and our tendency to seek out those who already agree with us. Darcia noted that we need guidance on how to socialize. Up through age 30 or so, it's natural for human beings to get that kind of guidance from others. Unfortunately we get that guidance through TV and video games now.


As usual, this was the first half of our interview. More discussion and more questions than we could possibly answer next time!

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