172: Design Grows Up (and that gives us all the feelings) with Mike Essl - a podcast by 5by5

Mike Essl, Dean at Cooper Union School of Art in New York, is Jeffrey Zeldman’s guest.

Topics: The designer as hobbyist. “I was an expert witness for the Associated Press.” Design is a machine. Working in a comic book store. The Cooper Union coincidences. Web design in 1995 versus today. New York design versus San Francisco design. Systems making versus picture making. Kind of Bloop.

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