Russia vs. NATO (and the U.S.) - a podcast by WNYC

One of Russia's most insistent demands in negotiations with the U.S. and NATO is for Ukraine to never be admitted to NATO. Fred Kaplan, Slate's War Stories columnist and the author of many books, including The Bomb: Presidents, Generals, and the Secret History of Nuclear War (Simon & Schuster, 2020), discusses the history of NATO and why Russia may go to war over its potential expansion.

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