TCC Podcast #36: Info Products and The Stone Soup Method with Ken McCarthy - a podcast by Kira Hug and Rob Marsh

Ken McCarthy, also known as the “World’s Most Secretive Copywriter” and “Mr. Internet,” is the guest for this episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, jammed full of great advice for any copywriter who wants to grow beyond simply writing for clients. Ken may be the only guy who can talk about speed reading, the origins of the internet, Johnny Rotten, making soup, Tested Advertising Methods, and of course, copywriting—and have it all make sense in the end. Listen and learn:
•  how Ken become the “world’s most secretive copywriter”•  what you have to do to “get good” at copywriting
•  Ken's recommendation about how to grow your business beyond copy
•  the “stone soup” method for creating a product•  how to avoid the “me too” trap—perhaps the biggest mistake people make online today
•  the marketing secret Ken learned from a punk rock drummer•  the books he recommends to give you an unfair advantage over the other copywriters

Told you it was jam packed with good stuff. It's all here in episode 36. Click the play button below, or scroll down for a full transcript.


The people and stuff we mentioned on the show:Sponsor: AirStory

Ben SettleEugene Schwartz
Tim FerrissAIDA
Mark GrahamMark Andreessen
Jim ClarkTed Nicholas
The link to Ken’s interviews (updated)System Secrets
Martin AtkinsNine Inch Nails
Johnny RottenScientific Advertising
Tested Advertising MethodsThe Robert Collier Letter Book
Gary HalbertKen’s Copy Clinic
My Life in AdvertisingKira’s website
Rob’s websiteThe Copywriter Club Facebook Group
Intro: Content (for now)Outro: Gravity
Full Transcript:The Copywriter Club Podcast is sponsored by Airstory, the writing platform for professional writers who want to get more done in half the time. Learn more at Airstory.co/club.

Kira: What if you can hang out with seriously talented copywriters and other experts, ask them about their successes and failures, their work processes and their habits, then steal an idea or two to inspire your own work? That’s what Rob and I do every week at The Copywriter Club Podcast.Rob: You’re invited to join the club for episode 36 as we chat with Ken McCarthy, who’s been called the world’s most secretive seven-figure copywriter, about how he has built his business from internet pioneer to where he is today, the most common mistakes writers and other business owners are making online, the books and courses he says will give our listeners a competitive advantage over other writers, and whatever else comes up as we talk.

Kira: Hey, Rob. Hey, Ken, how’s it going?Ken: Hey, good.

Rob: Ken, welcome to the podcast.Ken: Thank you very much, glad to be here.

Rob: We’re excited to talk with you. You’ve got a wide range of experience, and I think we could probably go on for hours and hours, but since our time’s a little bit limited, let’s start with your story, where you came from and how you became the most secretive copywriter in the world.Ken: That’s a really interesting headline or tagline. That was written actually by Ben Settle. He wrote it for me, and he’s a great copywriter, and it was written to actually promote a copywriting info marketing course that I have. He wrote it based on having taken the course. Rather than me write the letter, one of my students wrote the sales letter based on what he learned from me. Now that being said, Ben was already a really good copywriter when I met him. I didn’t teach him everything he knows. He was already really good, but the letter that he wrote was based on the learnings that he got from the course. Anyway, that’s how I became the most secretive seven-figure copywriter.

It’s fairly accurate. In fact, it’s exactly accurate. Very few people think of me as a copywriter, which shows how good my copy is. They just think I’m this guy who does things, but it’s all driven by copy. I wouldn’t have been able to accomplish anything without my ability to write copy, I mean, nothing.

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