Episode 1.5: Obama Navy Secretary Ray Mabus - a podcast by Udacity

In Episode 1: The Art of "No," we talked with former Secretary of the Navy during the Obama administration, Ray Mabus. In that episode, we aired only a portion of the full audio. But it was such a profound interview that we decided to air the raw audio in its entirety. In this interview, Sec. Mabus talks about the challenges of prioritizing projects, education, equal rights in the military and more.

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