Ben Simmons Saga, Tom Thibodeau Benching His Starters, and the Evolution of Physicality - a podcast by The Ringer & JJ Redick

Verno and KOC touch on the Pacers-Jazz game resulting in four ejections and discuss the side effect of a higher level of physicality in the game (0:58). Then they discuss Toronto’s win at Philly and the new advancement in the Ben Simmons saga, with reports about his mental health (27:27). Lastly, they weigh in on Tom Thibodeau benching his starters and discuss how the Knicks rank among the rest (58:08). Hosts: Chris Vernon, Kevin O’Connor

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