Lots of COVID. Lots more blame. - a podcast by ABC Radio

Relations between the Federal Government and Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews are getting worse by the day.

This week has seen a very public spat over mistakes made in the state's hotel quarantine program.

And what's happened to federation? Australia's states are continuing to keep their borders closed, and will do for the foreseeable future.

PK and Fran are joined by ABC Melbourne Drive host Raf Epstein to unpack what it means.

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