The Mays' relationship, lessons from Macron and a pollster's view of immigration - a podcast by The Times

Matt Chorley is joined by former Number 10 director of communications, Katie Perrior, Ipsos Mori research director, Kully Kaur-Ballagan and columnists, David Aaronovitch in the studio and Robert Crampton on the road. On the agenda: The Mays and their political relationship, why there is little evidence meeting immigration targets would please the public, and are there lessons to be learned in Britain from the En Marche experience?

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