312: ‘Not to Get Zealotrous’, With Craig Mod - a podcast by Daring Fireball / John Gruber

Craig Mod joins the show to talk about writing, designing, filmmaking, what makes for good software, and building a successful membership program to support independent art. And: pizza toast.

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