The Phyllis Vance Episode - a podcast by Trever Shirin MA, LPCC, NCC & Jesie Steffes MA, LPC

Join Trever and Jesie in their perpetual pursuit of making The Office just a little bigger than it really is. In this episode, we explore the complex creature of Phyllis Vance. Exploring the nuances of the matronly archetype, and how well Phyllis shows us the vibrance and sensuality that can exist long into life. We discuss the security that exists in healthy committed relationships and how transformative to us (and our growth) they can be. 

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