Podcasts by To L And Back: An L Word Podcast
"To L and Back” is a delightful recapping adventure through every single episode of the number one lesbian show you hate to love, “The L Word.” Hosted by Autostraddle.com’s Riese Bernard — one of the internet’s most storied L Word scholars, with writer and director Carly Usdin, this podcast comes chock full of trivia, jokes, special guests, controversial Jenny takes, fond memories and other ways in which we live and love.
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0.11 Generation Q Cancelled + NYC Reboot? from 2023-04-06T07:00
By now you've surely heard that The L Word: Generation Q is no more, and boy are we sad about it! Come join us to commiserate the end of our problematic fave, to talk about the state o...
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Generation Q – 3.10 Looking Ahead from 2023-01-23T08:00
If this season was all episodes featuring a big event, this sure is a fitting finale. This week, on the final episode of the seaso...
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Generation Q – 3.09 Quiet Before the Storm from 2023-01-16T08:00
A strong breeze has blown into Los Angeles this week and with it, the return of Bette and Tina! Angie's moms are back to get her o...
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Generation Q – 3.08 Quality Family Time from 2023-01-09T08:00
In case you're family drama-ed out after all of the winter holidays that just passed, The L Word Gen Q is here to provide a fresh supply! It's Th...
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Generation Q – 3.07 Little Boxes from 2023-01-02T08:00
In a world where there is a major social event every single weekend, it is now time for an album release party! Fletcher's album release party, t...
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Generation Q – 3.06 Questions for the Universe from 2022-12-26T08:00
Hold onto your hats because we have a musical episode! Not, sadly, a musical episode of this podcast, but this week The L Word finally graced us ...
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Generation Q – 3.05 Locked Out from 2022-12-19T08:00
Well well well, we are halfway through the season, and things are getting heated! Not necessarily in a sexy way, but in more of a ...
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Generation Q – 3.04 Last to Know from 2022-12-12T08:00
Spooky scary skeletons, it's a Halloween episode! We've got thrills, chills, and parties galore. One of the more realistic things that's ever hap...
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Generation Q – 3.03 Quiz Show from 2022-12-05T08:00
Winter has arrived in Los Angeles this week, bringing a chill in the air, some light rain, and something totally new: a Bette-Port...
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Generation Q – 3.02 Los Angeles Traffic from 2022-11-28T08:00
This week, of course, everyone is talking about Bette and Tina! Look, sometimes you have to get back together with your ex! While Bette and Tina ...
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Generation Q - 3.01 Last Year from 2022-11-21T11:00
Hello again! Did you miss us!? Most importantly, did you miss The L Word!?!? Then boy do we have a treat for you! After a quick on...
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Generation Q - 2.10 Last Call from 2021-10-14T23:56:44
2.09 Last Dance from 2021-10-04T14:45:19
Generation Q - 2.09 Last Dance from 2021-10-04T14:45:19
Generation Q - 2.08 Launch Party from 2021-09-27T19:16:35
2.08 Launch Party from 2021-09-27T19:16:35
Generation Q - 2.07 Light from 2021-09-20T10:19:19
Generation Q - 2.06 Love Shack from 2021-09-13T16:11:22
Generation Q - 2.05 Lobsters, Too from 2021-09-06T07:00
Generation Q - 2.04 Lake House from 2021-08-30T07:00
Folks, it has finally happened. The members of our OG L Word cast have finally awoken from their decade-long collective dream and remembered that they have a past! Shane shares her regret about ...
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Generation Q - 2.03 Luck be a Lady from 2021-08-23T09:00
Amid the break-ups, the make-ups and the new pairings we're excited about, on this week's episode of To L and Back (Generation Q...edition...), we also discuss the nuance required for m...
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Generation Q - 2.02 Lean on Me from 2021-08-16T07:00
Well, well, well, if it isn't the consequences of our Gen Q friends...
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Generation Q - 2.01 Late To the Party from 2021-08-09T07:00
0.10 Generation Q Season 2 Trailers&More! from 2021-08-02T07:00
The premiere of The L Word Generation Q’s Season 2 is just five days away so join Drew, Analyssa and Riese as we do a very quick recap of last season a...
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0.09 The Farm - LIVE! from 2021-06-15T08:00
Several weeks ago, we gathered an all-star cast of friends of the pod for a LIVE reading of “The Farm,” the thwarted L Word spinoff that never got picked up, in which Alice was sent to prison fo...
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0.08 The Interrogation Tapes from 2021-05-31T09:27:04
It’s therapy time at the Los Angeles sheriff’s department and boi is there some interrogation going on!!! Who burned down wax? (Cue guitar riff) Who stole the negative? Who has pretty little eye...
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6.08 Last Word from 2021-05-17T08:00
It’s time: 608 aka “Last Word” aka the very last episode of The L Word aka the worst series finale of all time — is here. And BOI do we have some notes! Join us for over two hours of deep analys...
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6.07 Last Couple Standing from 2021-04-26T08:00
Actor, recording artist and drag queen Willam Belli joins us for Episode 607, "Last Couple Standing,” in which everybody dances and dances and dances for charity!!!! Join us as Tasha, Jamie and ...
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6.06 Lactose Intolerant from 2021-04-12T08:00
Well folks, we're finally here: episode 606, Lactose Intolerant. Educator, artist, writer and self-described "Professional Black Transgender Person." John Bellamy joins us for this wild ride of ...
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6.05 Litmus Test from 2021-03-29T08:00
Producer Shannon de Zeeuw joins us for episode 6.05 Litmus Test, in which the girls gather at the wired-for-sound Hit Club to determine if Dylan is a good person ...
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6.04 Leaving Los Angeles from 2021-03-15T08:00
It’s time for episode 6.04, Leaving Los Angeles, seemingly produced on a $35 budget. We’re joined this week by author/activist Thomas Beatie, who has the unique perspective of being the subject ...
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6.03 LMFAO from 2021-03-01T09:00
Comic and tie dye enthusiast Rhea Butcher joins us for a little LMFAO-ing on Episode 603, LMFAO! This week the whole group gets some very concerning text messages regarding Shane and Jenny's sex...
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6.02 Least Likely from 2021-02-15T10:00
Big news: Alice is writing a treatment and Jenny is writing a treatment and Christina Tucker is joining us for this week’s journey into Shane’s car washing skills, Max’s ripped from the tabloids...
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6.01 Long Nights Journey Into Day from 2021-02-01T09:00
Well friends, it’s time for the inevitable and infamous Season Six. We kick off this week with 6.01, in which Bette Porter impacts the fate of civilization with a dangerous butterfly shirt, Shan...
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0.07 Happiest Holiday Season Special! from 2020-12-21T09:00
Calling all heterosexual orphan shoplifters, it’s time for a “To L and Back” holiday special in which we recap the classic controversial holiday film, “Happiest Season,” starring our very own Kr...
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5.12 Loyal and True from 2020-11-09T09:00
Season Five is coming to an end and we are celebrating with not one but TWO group gatherings jam-packed with lesbian drama: Jodi's very weird experimental art show and Lez Girls' very weird wrap...
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5.11 Lunar Cycle from 2020-11-02T06:13:08
Are you gonna bleed soon? Alice sure hopes Tasha will! Furthermore, Bette and Jodi are wearing matching outfits for their all-day break-up-a-thon, Adele does a private premiere of Jenny and Niki...
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5.10 Lifecycle from 2020-10-26T08:00
Get your butt onto your bicycles 'cause writer Erin Sullivan (creator of the "Who Killed Jenny Schecter" podcast and also Riese's roommate) is here to discuss Episode 510, Lifecycle! Join us as ...
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5.09 Liquid Heat - LIVE! from 2020-10-12T08:00
Gaby Dunn, Mal Blum, Brittani Nichols and Cerise Castle joined Carly and Riese for a LIVE RECORDING of Episode 509, aka the episode where everybody engages in sexual activities with one another!...
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5.08 Lay Down The Law from 2020-09-28T08:00
This week on To L and Back, legendary Autostraddle writer and A-Camp band singer Ari joins us as Tasha goes on trial for being just another soldier in the army of love, Jodi prepares a Moroccon ...
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5.07 Lesbians Gone Wild from 2020-09-21T08:00
GET IN THE RING IT'S TIME FOR LESBIAN OIL WRESTLING. Carly's actual wife, legendary actress and photographer Robin Roemer joins us as we get greased up and Molly Kroll is loving it!!! This week ...
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5.06 Lights! Camera! Action! from 2020-09-14T17:06:44
I hope you set your alarm for 4:30 AM like Adele because LIGHTS CAMERA ACTION “Lez Girls” starts shooting first thing tomorrow and we’ve got Emmy nominated writer/producer of “A Black Lady Sketc...
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5.05 Lookin' At You Kid from 2020-09-07T08:00
Get your gay brownies ready we’re going to the cast party with special guest, comedic/actor and two-time Survivor contestant Zeke Smith!!! This week, the gals mee...
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5.04 Let's Get This Party Started from 2020-08-31T18:39:14
L.A’s hottest new club is SHEBAR. It has everything: Riese, Carly, special guest Shelli Nicole, Dawn Denbo, her lover Cindi and only the best champagne in the VIP rooms! Also included: Jodi want...
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5.03 Lady of the Lake from 2020-08-24T08:00
Let's go lesbians! Get your gaydar guns, feather your hair and pick up the phone, Shane hasn't had sex for three entire days and WOW her mind is clean as a whistle, so. Meanwhile, Jodi and Bette...
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5.02 Look Out, Here They Come! from 2020-08-17T08:00
You know that Shane, never the bride, always f*cking the bridesmaids! This week on The L Word everything gets very fun, very fast. We've got imaginary sex matchups between Bette and Helena! We'v...
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5.01 LGB Tease from 2020-08-10T08:00
We are BACK with the Season Five Premiere episode of “To L and Back,” in which so many questions are asked, and several are answered. Where did Jenny sail to on h...
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4.12 Long Time Coming from 2020-06-30T08:00
It’s the Season Four finale, and much like Season Four itself we are ALL OVER THE PLACE. These places include: a daring sign Heist involving Shane/Alice/Bette and...
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4.11 Literary License to Kill from 2020-06-24T20:15:39
"Lez Girls" is hot off the press and Bette doesn't care for it in Episode 411 "Literary License to Kill." We are joined by listener SSG Lauren Montoya, who reached out to us about sharing how Ta...
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4.10 Little Boy Blue from 2020-06-15T17:32:38
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4.09 Lacy Lilting Lyrics from 2020-05-25T08:00
Jenny hunts for a director and Alice, Tasha, Helena and Papi spend 50% of the episode in Alice’s b...
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4.08 Lexington and Concord from 2020-05-18T08:00
We have arrived at the fine towns of Lexington and Concord to find Alice and Tasha just wanting to f*ck each other, Paige and Shane having steamy car sex, Bette h...
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4.07 Lesson Number One from 2020-05-11T08:00
Listen we’re not gonna ask anybody or tell anybody anything butttt it’s time for Lesson Number One and comic/writer and CODA Liana Carrera is here to make us laugh and assess Bette’s sign langua...
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4.06 Luck Be a Lady from 2020-05-04T08:00
Papi’s first rule of poker is “Let Angela Robinson write and direct everything!” This week we get ...
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4.05 Lez Girls from 2020-04-27T08:00
Hey one second, Monet has come back from the dead and is on the other line and he says "please get Hazel the nanny out of this episode." Just an idea! It's a real rollercoaster of an episode thi...
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4.04 Layup from 2020-04-20T08:00
TV Critic and Season 4 Enthusiast Kayla Kumari joins us for THE BASKETBALL EPISODE! This week, Phyllis gets a li...
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4.03 Lassoed from 2020-04-13T08:00
Rancho Notorious is West Hollywood’s hottest new Girls Night at The Planet. You’ll find Heads Will Roll Kroll on the prowl, Papi with a girl on each arm, many bal...
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4.02 Livin' La Vida Loca from 2020-04-06T08:00
Comedian El Sanchez joins us from their social isolation in Olympia for this spirited episode in which we meet the legendary Papi from Our Chart, who doesn’t do b...
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4.01 Legend in the Making from 2020-03-30T08:00
Hey Oh My God Have You Heard of OurChart??? It’s so much fun!!! Also, Season Four kicks off with complete mayhem — Shane becomes a sea otter and crashes a car, Bette’s on the lam with Angelica, ...
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0.06 Season Three Wrap-Up! from 2020-03-23T08:00
For our Season 3 Wrap-Up Pod, we invite comedian/writer/ Brittany Ashley to join us on FaceTime (because we are SOCIAL DISTANCING) to count down the best and worst moments of this terrible no-go...
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3.12 Left Hand of the Goddess from 2020-03-16T08:00
This episode has everything: special guest comic Kelley Quinn (best known for not being cast as a barista in Generation Q), “Pussy 101,” Carmen’s entire family in winter coats, Alice popping pil...
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3.11 Last Dance from 2020-03-09T08:00
Hey, you know who's a lesbian? DANA FAIRBANKS!!!! This week on The L Word, we say goodbye to Dana Fairbanks for many minutes, with activities including yelling at a funeral, Carmen becoming a ga...
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3.10 Losing the Light from 2020-03-02T09:00
Friends, we have come to the end of the road for our dearest Dana Fairbanks. In an episode that allegedly spans 45 minutes of time but definitely actually spanned...
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3.09 Lead, Follow or Get Out of the Way from 2020-02-24T09:00
Writer and breast cancer survivor Kim Hoffman pops in for this massive downer of an episode which includes Max’s Top Surgery Prom, Bette struggling with the sound...
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3.08 Latecomer from 2020-02-17T19:00:57
Filmmaker Rhys Ernst doubles the number of Rieses in our “recording studio: for “Late Comer,” a chaotic and ridiculous nightmare of an episode best known for the ...
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3.07 Lone Star from 2020-02-10T09:00
Musician Mal Blum joins us for this beefy-armed episode of “To L and Back,” “Lone Star.” TIna “goes to Canada” to chill at craft services with fucking Josh Becker...
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3.06 Lifesize from 2020-02-03T09:00
Riese and Carly are back on “to l and back” picking up right where we left off — deep in the mud of season three! Comedian Jes Thom joins us for episode 306, wherein topics of conversation inclu...
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Generation Q: 1.08 Lapse in Judgement from 2020-01-27T09:00
We regret to inform you that Bette Porter will not be mayor of Los Angeles. But at least we have a jam-packed episode of To L and Back! Drew and Analyssa discuss the finale and the entire first ...
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Generation Q: 1.07 Lose It All from 2020-01-20T09:00
Bette Porter is not afraid to sleep with your wife! And we’re not afraid to admit that we loved a certain sinful make out! Join Analyssa, Drew, and the world’s num...
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Generation Q: 1.06 Loose Ends from 2020-01-14T20:47:54
TINA!!!! That’s right! Tina is back and so are we to discuss her return and lots of other Gen Q excitement. Shane and Quiara are reconciling, our favorite throuple is sort of making things work,...
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Generation Q: 1.05 Labels from 2020-01-06T09:00
The Gen Q chaos continues! This week everyone is processing their feelings and we’re processing our feelings about them processing their feelings! We’re baffled by both newbie couples, delighted...
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Generation Q: 1.04 L.A. Times from 2019-12-30T09:00
Our dreams came true! That’s right! Threesome, babyyyyy. Analyssa is gone for the holidays so join Drew and Riese as they break down Gen Q episode 104: LA Times. There’s a threesome, Shane’s 40t...
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Generation Q: 1.03 Lost Love from 2019-12-23T09:00
This week we continue our time with Generation Q as Micah peruses Grindr, Finley confronts her religious past, and Dani and Sophie look at wedding venues! Meanwhile, Bette debate preps, Shane ho...
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Generation Q: 1.02 Less Is More from 2019-12-16T09:00
This week on “To L and Back” Gen Q co-hosts Drew Gregory and Analyssa Lopez are joined by regular co-host Riese Bernard to talk about episode two! Dani takes over ...
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Generation Q: 1.01 Let's Do It Again from 2019-12-12T17:04:44
Welcome to the first Gen Q episode of “To L and Back”! For the next eight weeks, noted gays and proud members of Generation Q, Drew Gregory and Analyssa Lopez, wil...
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0.05 LIVE from LA! Showtime x Autostraddle Presents: Generation Q from 2019-12-09T09:00
Showtime x Autostraddle presents a very special LIVE episode of “To L and Back” featuring the cast of The L Word: Generation Q! Recorded at the LA LGBT Center (@ileosheng, @jtoboni, @arienne_man...
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3.05 Lifeline from 2019-12-02T09:00
This week on “To L and Back,” noted bisexual and prolific author Gaby Dunn of the “Bad With Money” podcast joins us for an analysis of “Lifeline,” Riese’s favorite...
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3.04 Light My Fire from 2019-11-25T09:00
This week we are so pleased to announce that Cerise Castle, an actual employee of KCRW, joined us to discuss topics including Alice's dubious KCRW show about Dana ...
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3.03 Lobsters from 2019-11-18T09:00
Carmen's shopping for gig vests at Wax, Max and Shane are gonna be butch and help the ladies out with their luggage, Bette's had just about enoug...
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3.02 Lost Weekend from 2019-11-11T09:00
Welcome to a very Frankensteined episode of "To L and Back"! Carly had to skip town this weekend, but you can join Riese and her very special guest host, friend-of-the-pod Drew, as they overanal...
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3.01 Labia Majora from 2019-11-04T09:00
Well pals, we are finally at Season Three, which Carly describes as "a real treat," which was sarcastic, obviously. Writer / Actor / Filmmaker Fawzia Mirza joins us as we address topics includin...
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0.04 Season 2 Wrap-up&SPECIAL MAILBAG! from 2019-10-29T18:16:16
For our Sesaon 2 wrap-up and mailbag podcast we were joined by very special and convenient guests @robinshoots, Carly's wife, and @laurentaylorklein, our podcast producer!!! Also: by ...
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2.13 Lacuna from 2019-10-21T08:00
It’s the Season Two finale and we’re all here to mourn a death and celebrate a birth and witness an entire live concert fundraiser for the Ms foundation! That’s r...
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2.12 L'Chaim from 2019-10-14T08:00
It’s the pentultimate episode of the L Word season two and everybody is sad! WOMP WOMP. Bette and Kit are taking care of their dying father, Jenny’s reckoning with the PTSD triggered ...
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2.11 Loud and Proud from 2019-10-07T07:10
Full of gay pride? Full of gay shame? Either way, this week’s episode of “To L and Back” is for you as we journey through the Seven Stations of the Cross and a lightly attended Pride ...
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2.10 Land Ahoy from 2019-09-30T07:01
Let's get on the Lez Boat with everybody's favorite awkward threesome: Jenny, Shane and Carmen! Oh and guess who else? It's our special guest, renowned actress Jasmin Savoy Brown! Bef...
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2.09 Late, Later, Latent from 2019-09-23T08:00
Good morning to the seagulls and Helena Peabody's glistening skin, it's time for a VERY SEXY episode of The L Word in which Tina and Bette reunite for a little afternoon delight, Jenn...
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2.08 Loyal from 2019-09-16T17:10:28
Carly and Riese here, welcoming you — and our special guest, producer/actress/writer Laura Zak (Her Story, Danger & Eggs, Angel On Top Podcast)— to another thrilling episode of "To L an...
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2.07 Luminous from 2019-09-09T08:00
Listen I don’t mean to sound like a bad feminist but Bette Porter you have been MEAT-TAGGED and the ladies are lining up around the block to sign your dance card after this gripping classical gu...
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2.06 Lagrimas De Oro from 2019-09-02T17:07:57
WHAT’S IN THE LIVE PLANT BOX? It’s raging feminist Carmen Rios, our special guest for this week’s episode of “To L and Back,” in which Carmen De La Pica Morales pours a lot of beer on Shane’s sh...
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2.05 Labyrinth from 2019-08-26T07:01
Dana and Ton-Tom are prepping for their weird bachelorette party but Dana gets a little distracted by Alice’s amazing rack. Meanwhile, Kit is turning a profit thanks to TOE ughhhh, we came up wi...
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0.03 Generation Q Trailer! from 2019-08-23T23:20:08
The Generation Q teaser is here! Carly and Riese have lots of feelings about it — and so do you! Here's a quick recap of the trailer that caught us all by surprise!
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0.02 Season One Wrap-Up: VERY SPECIAL EPISODE! from 2019-08-23T22:59:07
This week on To L and Back, Riese has four of her Autostraddle Senior Editors right there with her at a table because for just one week a year, we actuall...
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2.04 Lynch Pin from 2019-08-19T07:01
Hello, Helena! This week on "The L Word" we meet two new main characters — Helena, who we love and Mark, who we hate. Special guest Drew Gregory, who ranks "Lynch Pin" as her second-favorite-epi...
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2.03 Loneliest Number from 2019-08-11T07:00
If you're game to play "Too Hot" with Carmen in her boyshorts then you have a lot in common with all of us, and also Shane, and possibly also Jenny? On this week's episode with special guest and...
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2.02 Lap Dance from 2019-08-06T06:59
This week on "To L and Back," super special guest Brittany Ashley joins Riese and Carly to discuss "Lap Dance," an episode in which Robin gets left at the altar, somebody drops a camera onto a L...
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2.01 Life, Loss, Leaving from 2019-07-28T07:00
1.14: Limb from Limb from 2019-07-08T10:00
It’s time for the finale of The L Word’s first stunning season and boi did we have feelings this week!! Provocations is finally making its big debut, Jenny is playing the dating game, Ivan loves...
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1.13: Locked Up from 2019-07-01T18:06:01
Who here can speak the language of the manatees? Well, not Jenny with that weird font, that’s for sure. Elsewhere this week, a protest breaks out at the California Art Center over whether or not...
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1.12: Looking Back (Live from A-Camp!) from 2019-06-24T07:00
It’s our first-ever live episode of To L and Back, recorded live at A-Camp! Join us — and special guests Be Steadwell, Marni Kellison, Laneia Jones and two “margaritas” as we tackle the Dinah Sh...
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1.11: Liberally from 2019-06-17T07:00
Hey have you seen any bread… for toast? Jenny hasn't… at least not yet. Also, Alice hasn't gotten her period yet but guess what WE DON'T CARE. While everybody sorts all that out, Dana gets a hai...
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1.10: Luck, Next Time from 2019-06-11T04:18:09
This week on another gripping episode of “To L and Back,” Cherie Jaffe tells Shane that in terms of what she can do for her, she needs a change; Conservatives turn out to have very different tas...
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1.09: Listen Up from 2019-06-03T07:00
Join Riese and our guest co-host, director/writer Carly Usdin (who autowin fans will remember from Riese’s original L Word Recaps) AND our special celebrity guest, writer/actor/comic Brittani Ni...
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1.08: L'Ennui from 2019-05-27T07:00
Do you need a bath? Well then, you and Jenny have something in common! This week on The L Word, all tights are off and the yacht party is ON. Also: the girls stage a very important intervention ...
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1.07: Losing It from 2019-05-20T07:00
Stuff those dirty ’shrooms in your face, poke her in the face and liquor in the rear and then brace yourself for a world in which suddenly nobody has a cell phone anymore cuz if they did there’d...
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1.06: Lawfully from 2019-05-13T07:00
Are you in the market for a whey protein smoothie? Well I hope so because that’s what you’re getting on this week’s “To L and Back,” in which we recap “Lawfully,” a real doozy of an episode in w...
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1.05: Lies, Lies, Lies from 2019-05-06T07:00
Alice’s eccentric mother Lenore is here and ready to lie because, at least according to Jenny’s Professor Nick Whatever, “everyone’s a liar, dear.” But are they? Or has Hector Projector STRUCK A...
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1.04: Longing from 2019-04-29T07:00
All hail Queen Peggy Peabody, who arrives this week for an art buying spree — but will she save Bette’s job?? Meanwhile, Lacey has discovered the joys of flyering, Lara’s finger injuries won’t g...
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0.01: Guinevere Turner Interview from 2019-04-26T07:00
We drank a LOT of wine with Guinevere Turner (who played Gaby Deavoux and wrote for The L Word’s first two seasons) and along the way, spoke about dildos, working with your ex, the Chart’s origi...
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1.03: Let's Do It from 2019-04-22T07:00
This week on To L and Back, we’ve lovingly sliced tiny bits of our outstanding interview with Guinevere Turner into our recap of “Let’s Do It,” in which Alice pursues vaginal rejuvenation (for s...
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1.02: Pilot (2 of 2) from 2019-04-15T20:09:30
For Part Two of The L Word’s invigorating pilot, which Riese and Kristin honestly really liked a lot, lesbians have actual lesbian sex, nobody gets pregnant (yet!), Jenny has a big decision to m...
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1.01: Pilot (1 of 2) from 2019-04-08T07:00
On our very first episode of “To L and Back,” Kristin and Riese dig into our own relationships to this wonderful lesbian program and then plummet into The L Word’s first hour of groundbreaking t...
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0.00: Living, Laughing, Launching from 2019-03-12T20:19:32
To L and Back is a new podcast from Autostraddle.com in which Riese Bernard will be re-watching and discussing every episode of the iconic lesbian series we hate to love: The L Word! Join Riese ...
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