009: On Performative Allyship, Jamie’s Security Blanket, Anxiety Alleviating Foods,&“Detransition, Baby” - a podcast by Jamie + Laurel

On this episode of Try Saying That Out Loud, Jamie and Lo unpack Bachelor contestant Rachel Kirkconnell’s Instagram apology & talk about performative allyship, especially for those in the public eye. Then Jamie gets vulnerable about self-esteem in her first, but undoubtedly not the last, Try Saying THAT moment of the month (:30).

“Lo, I wanna know…” kicks off with a question about anxiety-friendly foods (:48), & then Lo has her very own reckoning, as Jamie does her Enneagram 7 deep dive (:58).

Later, the hosts have an incredible conversation about their February book club/#PodPick - Detransition, Baby by Torrey Peters (1:18) & continue to discuss the overarching theme of motherhood with regards to both current & anticipated reads (1:33). The episode wraps with Lo screaming about Temptation Island & Kevin Costner (1:46). Really, where did he come from!?

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