#02 Chao Tayiana: History as a Verb - a podcast by Abu Okari

from 2021-08-02T17:11:43

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“History (for me) is a verb: I history, you history, we history.”


- Chao Tayiana





  • The railway and how it became more than it was intended

  • How there is a lot of power in understanding what the railway became (an essential part of Kenyan lives)  as opposed to just focusing on what it was intended for

  • The railway as a great connector, both in life and death

  • A citizens’ approach to the concept of the Museum and colonialism

  • Why participation is key

  • Re-evaluating the concept of the Museum

  • “I didn’t like the idea of history being taught in a passive way”

  • The cool thing about oral history - once you learn something, it becomes your responsibility.

  • How so much was lost - we need more than 3x the effort it took to destroy African culture/history to recover some of the lost bits

  • What we lost once we put history in glass cases, boxes, and buildings

  • Why building methods that are designed for us is crucial

  • The pipeline during the Mau Mau uprising

  • Origin of the current idea of a museum - institutions that completely excluded Africans

  • Why Europeans took artifacts from Africa

  • How African children related to culture while growing up

  • The experience of having a fellow tribesperson/country person tell you how you are “so African”

  • Tracking the conversation around stolen African artifacts in European museums

  • Changing the articulation/language on African artifacts in European museums - it is critical that we centre Africans in these conversations

  • The sack of Benin city

  • African artifacts in European museums

  • Restitution is much more than objects



Important Links:


Chao Tayiana


African Digital Heritage


Museum of British Colonialism


The Train to Uhuru by Carey Baraka


Africa’s Looted Art - A DW documentary

Further episodes of We're Just Doing Us

Further podcasts by Abu Okari

Website of Abu Okari