From microorganisms to shoes w/ Joey Zwillinger (Allbirds co-founder) - a podcast by Mike Lewis / Macmillan

Joey Zwillinger wasn't especially interested in shoes growing up, but his passion for sustainability led him to co-found Allbirds, a rapidly-growing footwear company. In conversation, Zwillinger preaches the virtues of patience in making a jump, among other lessons.

Purchase the When To Jump book hereThis week's episode is sponsored by Grasshopper (grasshopper.com/whentojump) and Design Crowd (DesignCrowd.com/JUMP).

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