2018/19 - Episode 38 - "PAY THE REF!" - a podcast by Wise Men Say Podcast

In this edition of WMS, in association with ALS, the lads are joined by Sunderland Echo writer Phil Smith to discuss our 1-1 draw with Luton Town.

Our own Craig Clark was out and about on Saturday with a special guest too. Bilde journalist Tim Osing headed over to see what Sunderland was all about. They caught up with travelling St Mirren fans making a SoL pilgrimage in honour of Jack Ross, and chatted with Lee Cattermole.

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