Podcasts by The Cartographers

The Cartographers

Welcome to The Cartographers, a podcast to help Christian leaders map a changing cultural landscape in the 21st century. Join us, Bryce Hales and Ashley Hales, Pastor and PhD, as we explore with our guests how to cultivate fruitful and resilient lives and communities.
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140: Attention as Love with Jen Pollock Michel from 2022-12-13T14:12:54

In this third conversation with Jen Pollock Michel, we talk about how a rule of life helps lower our time-anxiety. This is a practical tool to cooperation with the work of God and of grace in our l...

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139: Faithful Time-keeping this Advent + New Year from 2022-12-06T15:16:56

In this second conversation this Advent season, Jen Pollock Michel and I talk about how to keep time (not save it or spend it). How do we approach the time that we have? We talk what a rule of life...

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138: On Time Anxiety with Jen Pollock Michel from 2022-11-29T07:00

Do you feel rushed or overwhelmed this time of year? During Advent, Ashley speaks with Jen Pollock Michel about how we might better think about living in the time that is given to us. In this episo...

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137: Hannah Anderson on Advent from 2022-11-22T09:00

What does it mean to practice time-keeping as a Christian? In this episode, Ashley sits down with Hannah Anderson to talk about Advent, our need for liturgies, and what creation can teach us. Liste...

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136: Ann Swindell on the Path through Overwhelm from 2022-11-15T07:00

Are you overwhelmed? Ashley Hales talks with Ann Swindell about her devotional, The Path to Peace. As we walk through the lives of several biblical characters, we'll begin to see that the point is ...

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135: Glenn Packiam on Resilience in the Church from 2022-11-08T07:00

In this conversation with Glenn Packiam, Ashley talks with Glenn about resilience, discipleship and ways to move forward. Chock full of hope, data, and practical steps. Listen in. LINKSGlenn's web...

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134: Gem Fadling on Your Thought Life from 2022-11-01T07:00

In this conversation, Ashley talks with Gem Fadling about low-grade anxiety, a Christian's thought life and how we might notice and discern the voices in our heads to "take every thought captive." ...

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133: Angie Ward on Kingdom and Nation from 2022-10-25T09:00

In this episode, Ashley and Bryce Hales sit down with Angie Ward, editor of Kingdom and Country, a book that helps us discern allegiance to Christ our King and what our relationship to the nation m...

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132: Bonnie Kristian on Our Knowledge Crisis from 2022-10-18T08:00

Ashley and Bryce Hales talk with journalist Bonnie Kristian about our knowledge crisis and what we can do about it. While it can feel like people aren't even living in the same reality anymore, Bon...

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131: Shannan Martin on How to Be a Neighbor from 2022-10-11T08:00

Ashley sits down with Shannan Martin as they talk together about how to be a good neighbor -- in our neighborhoods and in virtual spaces, too. Get some great ideas on how to grow your relationships...

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130: Aaron Damiani on Living Sacramentally from 2022-10-04T07:00

What does it mean to live a sacramental life? Ashley is joined by Bryce Hales for this invigorating conversation with Anglican pastor, Aaron Damiani. We talk about practical starting places when we...

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129: Make Grief Normal Again with Amanda Held Opelt from 2022-09-27T06:00

Ashley Hales sits down with Amanda Held Opelt to talk about how we might normalize grief, pain, loss and death. With her background in aid work, she thought she would prepared, but wasn't when her ...

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128: Lore Wilbert on Why a Posture of Curiosity Matters from 2022-09-20T06:00

What do we do with our questions? In this conversation, Ashley talks with Lore Ferguson Wilbert about questions faith poses and what a curious faith looks like. This conversation moves past hot tak...

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127: Andrew Arndt on Hope for the Wilderness from 2022-09-13T06:00

Weekly episodes are back! Join us each Tuesday as we connect the dots between big ideas and everyday life in culture, theology, and the arts. Expect thoughtful, deep and lively conversation and gue...

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126: Mark Sayers on Cultural Anxiety and its Cure from 2022-08-25T06:00

Join Ashley as she talks with Mark Sayers about his recent book, A Non-Anxious Presence, and all about church renewal, church hurt, and hope for institutional clarity and mission in this moment and...

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125: Makoto Fujimura on Art and Faith from 2022-08-09T07:00

Ashley Hales interviews Mako Fujimura on his artistic process, how faith and art meet and collide and give hope for sorrow and our cultural moment. Not to miss! LINKSLearn more about Mako Art + Fa...

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124: Reading as Formation with Austin Carty from 2022-07-25T06:00

Ashley talks with Austin Carty about how reading forms us as leaders, how we can get started reading again, and some practical steps forward, especially for pastors and leaders. Pick up a book toda...

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123: Hope for the Western Church with Eric Costanzo from 2022-07-06T15:02

Ashley talks with Eric Costanzo, an author (along with Daniel Yang and Matt Soerens) of Inalienable, about hope for the American church. We don't have to give up on Jesus' bride, but we do need to ...

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122: Pantsuit Politics' Beth Silvers on Re-knitting our Social Fabric from 2022-06-21T16:10

Ashley talks with Beth Silvers (one half of the Pantsuit Politics duo, along with Sarah Stewart Holland) about how we move forward with grace and hope in politics, in community, and with one anothe...

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121: Gordon T. Smith on Why Work isn't All There Is from 2022-06-07T10:00

Ashley talks with Gordon T. Smith on calling, vocation and how all of what we do matters — not just our careers. LINKSGordon’s book, Your Calling Here and Now Susan Scott, Fierce ConversationsAshl...

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120: What we can Learn from China with Hannah Nation and Ryan Zhang from 2022-05-24T06:00

Ashley talks with Hannah Nation and Ryan Zhang about their work with the book, Faith in the Wilderness: a book translating Chinese pastors' sermons on the intersection of the pandemic and persecuti...

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119: Amy Julia Becker on Healing and Wholeness from 2022-05-17T06:00

Ashley talks with Amy Julia Becker about healing and wholeness for persons, places, and communities. Listen in to this conversation about the wellness industry, the healing Jesus offers, and some p...

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118: Jake Meador on Christians for the Sake of the World from 2022-05-11T14:04:50

Ashley Hales and Jake Meador talk about what Christians offer the world in this moment in time. A practical and thoughtful conversation on Christian community, imagination, and care for our environ...

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117: Hans Boersma on Seeing God from 2022-05-03T09:00

Ashley and Hans Boersma talk about the whole point of life — moving toward union with God and what the blessed life looks like now. This conversation may help you tap into the transcendent life in ...

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116: Mark Noll on the Evangelical Mind from 2022-04-26T06:00

Ashley is joined by Mark Noll, Christian historian, as they talk about the word "evangelical," if it could and should be saved, and what to do about the intellectual project for Christians. LINKS ...

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115: Staying Awake with Anjuli Paschall from 2022-04-19T15:42

Ashley and Anjuli talk about staying awake rather than numbing, hiding, or sidestepping life. We talk about conflict, faith, and how to move forward. A helpful, practical conversation especially if...

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114: The Loneliness Epidemic with Susan Mettes from 2022-04-12T16:02:31

Ashley talks with Susan Mettes about the loneliness epidemic, the research that informs this challenge, what needs to change in the church, and how to move forward. LINKSSusan's book, The Loneline...

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113: Mental Health with Diana Gruver from 2022-04-05T15:23

Often going back to go forward looks like naming depression or anxiety and finding a path through. In this conversation with Diana Gruver, she and Ashley talk about mental health and where we find ...

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112: Strength to Love Neighbors and Enemies with Catherine McNiel from 2022-03-29T15:16

What do we do with fear, polarization, and the call to love not just our neighbors, but also our enemies? Catherine McNiel and I talk about this radical and inviting call with her book, Fearing Bra...

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111: How Baptism Changes Us with Kevin Adams from 2022-03-24T15:34:37

What does it mean to go back to go forward? In this series, we're talking about how as we move backward -- in history, in place, in our lives -- we'll begin to grow and be transformed spiritually. ...

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110: Elizabeth Santelmann on Limits in Parenting + Platforms from 2022-03-16T13:46

In this conversation, Ashley talks with Elizabeth Santelmann about limits in our lives: from our past, in our parenting, and online. It's a great conversation on character, wisdom, and not doing it...

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109: Reading as a Spiritual Practice with Jessica Hooten Wilson from 2022-03-07T07:00

How does fiction help us live as people of faith? When we read a novel, how might we grow? In this episode, Jessica Hooten Wilson and I talk about holiness in fiction and how reading forms us. LIN...

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108: Walk at a Human Pace this Lent from 2022-02-28T17:34

What is your human pace? This episode I'm letting you preview the first day of a 40-day journey this Lent called, Walking at a Human Pace." Lace up your shoes, put in your earbuds, listen to the ep...

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107: Christ as the Basis for Beauty with Chris Green from 2022-02-22T15:20:16

In this fascinating conversation with Chris Green, we talk about Jesus as the basis for beauty. Listen in for big ideas made accessible and inspirational to help you live out your ordinary life wel...

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106: Imagination and Art with Ned Bustard from 2022-02-08T14:12:31

We’re creative beings because we’re made in the image of a creative God. Listen in to this conversation with Ned Bustard, a visual artist, as we talk about imagination, the church, and the limits o...

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105: Limits of Knowing, Limits of Art with Daniel Bowman from 2022-01-31T07:00

Ashley talks with Professor Daniel Bowman about his autism spectrum diagnosis as an adult and the gifts and limits of knowledge and art. A great conversation you won’t want to miss. LINKSDan’s boo...

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104: The Gifts and Limits of Christian Fiction with Daniel Silliman from 2022-01-25T07:00

Ashley talks with Daniel Silliman on the gifts and limits of fiction — particularly evangelical popular fiction over the last several decades — and what it means for faith and culture. LINKSDaniel...

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103: The Healing Power of Poetry with Tanner Olson from 2022-01-18T16:57:29

Ashley talks with Tanner Olson about his newest book of poetry and how poetry can be a vehicle to connect with others. LINKSFollow Tanner on Instagram @writtentospeak: https://www.instagram.com/wr...

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102: The Goodness of Human Limits with Dr. Kelly Kapic from 2022-01-10T07:00

Join Ashley as she talks with Professor Kelly Kapic as they dive into the topic of limits — and as she kicks off this series on art and limits. How do limits grow our creativity? How do they make u...

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101: Let's Think about Health: Healthy Bodies with Jennifer Taylor Wagner from 2021-12-21T22:06:39

Need some thoughtful conversation on healthy bodies when all forms of media will want you to be discontent with who you are? Listen in to this conversation with Ashley and Jennifer Wagner, author o...

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100: Let's Think about Health: Spiritual Health with Tim Challies from 2021-12-14T07:00

As we consider health in these few episodes this month, we talk spiritual health and rhythms with author and pastor, Tim Challies. The rhythms we can do this season are smaller than we think and mo...

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99: Let's Think about Health: Pastoral Burnout and Church Health from 2021-12-07T16:34:20

Ashley talks to Jon Medlock about his research into what makes a pastor and church healthy. Listen in for antidotes to narcissism, burnout, and 3 things to help you to grow in spiritual and church...

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97: Introducing: A Spacious Season: A Weary Mom Rejoices! from 2021-11-16T05:58

We need to see our story — and our parenting journey — in light of God’s big story of redemption. The challenge can be when there’s so much that calls for our attention, or you find yourself unable...

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96: But how do we create a spacious life? (with Sharon Morginsky) from 2021-11-09T07:00

In this conversation Ashley talks to counselor Sharon Morginsky about what it looks like to embrace our limits. We talk about re-parenting ourselves, individual and communal limits, and how to move...

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95: How do we Choose Limits for Good? (with Shannan Martin) from 2021-11-02T13:44:41

How do we choose good limits? Ashley talks with Shannan Martin about how her limits of place have provided challenge and freedom. LINKSFollow Shannan on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/shanna...

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94: Creating Space for Ourselves and Others (with Karla Reed) from 2021-10-25T06:00

In this conversation with Karla Reed, we talk about why I dedicated A Spacious Life to her and her husband and what it looks like to create a spacious place for others. We talk about grief and anxi...

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94: Creating Space for Ourselves and Others (with Karla Reed) from 2021-10-25T06:00

In this conversation with Karla Reed, we talk about why I dedicated A Spacious Life to her and her husband and what it looks like to create a spacious place for others. We talk about grief and anxi...

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93: What's in a Name? (with Aubrey Sampson) from 2021-10-19T14:19:09

Join Ashley as she talks with Aubrey Sampson about naming and being known, moving past shame, and how a spacious life fits in. LINKSAubrey's book, Known Follow Aubrey on InstagramConnect with Aubr...

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92: What to do When You Can't Pray (with Kayla Craig) from 2021-10-12T14:57:47

Ashley talks with Kayla Craig on liturgy, prayer, and what to do when we don't have the words. LINKSKayla's book, To Light Their Way: https://amzn.to/3mGyWGq Follow Kayla on Instagram on her perso...

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91: How does What we Know influence What we Love? (with Amy Gannett) from 2021-10-05T06:00

Ashley talks to Amy Cate Gannett about why theology matters and how what we know can lead to how we love. LINKSAmy’s book, Fix Your Eyes: https://amzn.to/3alb7OR Grab your copy of A Spacious Life...

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90: How does God invite us to Lead? (with Sharon Hodde Miller) from 2021-09-29T17:39

Listen in to this conversation with Sharon Hodde Miller as she and Ashley talk about leadership and limits. LINKSSharon on Instagram and Twitter Sharon's latest books, Nice and Free of MeAshley's ...

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89: Where is God in the dark? (with Tish Harrison Warren) from 2021-09-21T06:00

In this conversation Ashley talks with Tish Harrison Warren about how to pray when we can't, the limits and invitations of liturgy, our own limits of time and ability, and what a spacious life migh...

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88: Flipping the mic: A Spacious Life is born (with Ashley Hales)! from 2021-09-14T03:19

We're flipping the mic and Ashley is the one answering questions! Join Laura Fabrycky as she asks insightful questions and she and Ashley discuss how we can find a spacious life in the midst of our...

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87: When balance doesn't work, what does? (with Jen Pollock Michel) from 2021-09-07T19:58:02

Jen Pollock Michel talks with Ashley about what a spacious life looks like and what is the good news when "balance" doesn't work out. Listen in to how Jen's limits have been invitations she didn't ...

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86: What is the path through dark valleys? (with Sandra McCracken) from 2021-08-31T06:00

In this conversation with Sandra McCracken, we talk about the creative process, the valleys in our lives, our limits, and how we can abide with God in the dark valleys in our souls. Listen in: you'...

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85: When we hurry, what are we afraid of? (with Jennifer Dukes Lee) from 2021-08-24T14:21

In this conversation with Jennifer Dukes Lee, we talk about fear, the goodness of growing slow, what the land has to teach us, and small habits we can practice now. LINKSGet Jennifer’s book: Growi...

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84: How do we stay in our lane when it comes to calling or pain? (with Marlena Graves) from 2021-08-16T06:00

Ashley talks with Marlena Graves about boundaries, hurt and trauma, calling, and what it might look like to embrace our limits. If you’re looking for some guidelines about when and what to speak ou...

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83: If You're Not Your Own, then What? with Alan Noble from 2021-08-10T06:00

Listen in to this conversation with Alan Noble as we talk about the problem with unlimited autonomy today, how we might engage thoughtfully with social media, how *not* to curate a life, and the ps...

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82: What does it take to turn an idea into a book? from 2021-08-02T06:00

In this episode, kicking off Season 5, Ashley sits down with her literary agent and editor to talk about A Spacious Life. How does an idea go from concept to book? What drew Don Gates and Elissa Sc...

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81: Welcome to a Spacious Life in Season 5 from 2021-07-29T13:45

There's more than hurry and hustle. Welcome to a spacious life -- where we're learning to see our limits as good. Here's your invitation to know that there's a spacious life waiting for you in the ...

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80: Kendra Adachi On Genius-ing your Laundry and Your Life from 2021-07-19T17:56

Kendra Adachi and Ashley Hales talk about laundry as an act of love, vulnerability and messiness, and how we connect the dots between the meaning behind chores and the task itself. Listen in to get...

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79: The Laundry Episode from 2021-07-12T16:16

What does our laundry have to do with the big ideas of life? At the Finding Holy podcast, I ask all my guests about their laundry routines. In this episode, hear why I ask that question, some memor...

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78: The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill: Power + the Church from 2021-07-05T07:00

Mike Cosper joins us on the Finding Holy Podcast to talk about: church hurt, his recent CT podcast, The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill, and power and hope for the church. Listen in. Listen to The Rise...

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77: Alan Noble on our Digital Lives from 2021-06-28T08:00

In this best of series, Alan Noble joins Ashley Hales to talk about our digital lives. You can preorder his next book, You Are Not Your Own, here. His first book is Disruptive Witness and you can f...

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76: Laura Fabrycky on our Civic Witness from 2021-06-23T14:11

This is such an important conversation about the nature of courage, how we might maintain civic identities, and love our neighbors -- and learn more about the witness of Dietrich Bonhoeffer.
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75: Karla Reed on Generosity + Creativity from 2021-06-18T13:43

Enjoy this "best of" episode with Karla Reed as we talk generosity, creativity, and spending. Though this came out at the beginning of the pandemic, it's a helpful way to think about how we spend a...

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74: A.J. Swoboda on Doubt from 2021-06-02T12:19:51

How do we reckon with our own doubt? Can we do so in the context of the church? Listen in to this wide-ranging conversation with A.J. Swoboda to find a pathway and roadmap through — to see doubt no...

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73: Pandemic Relationships: Rhonda Spencer-Hwang on Parenting from 2021-05-18T09:00

The global Covid-19 pandemic has taught us that resilience is an important muscle we need to flex (and to learn how to do so better). Listen in to this conversation with Rhonda Spencer-Hwang about ...

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72: Pandemic Relationships: Dorothy Greco on Marriage from 2021-05-11T17:28

This is a great conversation on how the pandemic has changed marriages and what it might look like to begin to imagine more for our marriages. Listen in to author, speaker, and photographer Dorothy...

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71: Pandemic Relationships: Todd Wilson on The Enneagram Goes to Church from 2021-05-05T07:00

This is a great conversation on how social media and the pandemic has changed relationships in the church. Listen in to Todd Wilson help listeners learn about the Enneagram, the wisdom of dark emot...

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70: Jen Pollock Michel on Habits of Faith from 2021-04-27T09:00

This is a great conversation on how faith might grow, not because we have it mentally sorted or we’re traveling from emotional high to emotional high, but because we practice particular habits. Jen...

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69: Katelyn Beaty on A Woman's Place from 2021-04-20T07:00

This is a great conversation on how the pandemic has changed life for women, why institutions matter, the nature of power, and the culture of social influence in Christian spaces. LINKSKatelyn’s f...

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68: John Starke on Praying in a Pandemic from 2021-04-14T16:11

In this conversation, Ashley sits down with pastor and author John Starke to talk about praying in a pandemic. John Starke is lead pastor at Apostles Church Uptown in New York City. He is the coedi...

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67: Hannah Anderson on Nature's Liturgies from 2021-04-06T16:04

In this conversation, Ashley sits down with Hannah Anderson to talk about a liturgy within nature and how this effects our faith. We talk spiritual formation, a new way of seeing, and what nature h...

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66: Julia Lambert Fogg on our Immigrant Neighbors from 2021-04-01T07:00

In this conversation, Ashley sits down with Julia Lambert Fogg to talk about how we understand scripture, how our neighbors influence our faith, cross-cultural realities, and what Christian faith h...

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65: Wendy Alsup and the Fellowship of Suffering from 2021-03-24T16:42

In this conversation, Ashley sits down with Wendy Alsup to talk about what it might look to suffer well and what hope we have. This is a beautiful, real, and hopeful conversation that can help you ...

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64: Sheila Wise Rowe on Healing Racial Trauma from 2021-03-17T19:00

In this conversation, Ashley sits down with Sheila Wise Rowe to talk about forms of racism, racial trauma, and the hope of Christ. It’s a practical, rich, and kind conversation you don’t want to mi...

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63: Scott Sauls on a Gentle Answer for Polarized Times from 2021-03-11T10:00

In this conversation, Ashley sits down with Scott Sauls to talk about ways to bridge divides in outrage culture. We talk about spiritual formation, living eulogies, and of course his laundry routin...

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62: Michael Wear on How to Best Engage Politically Now from 2020-10-16T04:57

In this conversation with Michael Wear, we talk about how we can actually have hope as Christians as we engage politically. He provides us with some frameworks about voting, and helps us think Chri...

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61: Kaitlyn Schiess on the Liturgy of Politics from 2020-10-09T04:20

In this conversation with Kaitlyn Schiess, author of The Liturgy of Politics, as we talk about how we’re formed by politics and how we’re formed by Christian faith. How do these two relate? Listen ...

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60: Irwyn Ince on Unity in Diversity from 2020-09-24T11:00

In this conversation with Irwyn Ince, we talk about race, a theology of beauty, unity and diversity, how to communicate on sticky topics online, and what hope we have for this moment in time. Not t...

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59: D.L. Mayfield on The Myth of the American Dream from 2020-09-10T11:00

In this conversation with D.L. Mayfield, we talk about systems in America, how place, education, and opportunities are unequal and strategies for resilience. Join us for Season 4 as we consider hot...

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58: David Swanson on Rediscipling the White Church from 2020-08-27T11:00

How do we talk about race and ethnicity as a discipleship issue and not a partisan issue? David Swanson talks about his book, Rediscipling the White Church and creative possibilities for this momen...

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57: David Taylor on Psalms for a Pandemic from 2020-08-21T21:28

In this first episode of Season 4 on Living Faithfully in an Upside-Down World, David Taylor and I talk about the language of the Psalms and how they can help chart the way forward for Christians l...

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57: David Taylor on Psalms for a Pandemic from 2020-08-21T21:28

In this first episode of Season 4 on Living Faithfully in an Upside-Down World, David Taylor and I talk about the language of the Psalms and how they can help chart the way forward for Christians l...

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56: Is There Sanity to be Found? An Intro to Season 4 and a Chance to Win! from 2020-08-13T11:00

We need thoughtful voices that can ask hard questions and gently lead us forward. We need help as we consider how to vote, how to love our neighbor, and how to flex during this pandemic. Join us fo...

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55: Anjuli Paschall on How to Stay (with Emotions, Race + Polarization) from 2020-07-23T11:00

Ashley Hales and Anjuli Paschal talk about what it looks like to stay in our emotions and bring them to Jesus, how to stay with others in the midst of racial tensions, political polarization, and t...

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54: Rebecca Brewster Stevenson on How to Wait Well from 2020-07-16T11:00

Ashley Hales and Rebecca Brewster Stevenson talk about waiting on God, what that looks like in Covid-19, and how to practically deal with your emotions. Other applicable episodes: Episode 46 with M...

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53: Aundi Kolber on Shame, Love, and Trying Softer from 2020-07-09T10:00

Ashley Hales and Aundi Kolber talk about Aundi's new book, Try Softer, and emotional health now. Aundi Kolber is a Licensed Professional Counselor (MA LPC), writer, and speaker in Castle Rock, Colo...

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52: Stephanie Lobdell on Transforming our Ordinary Losses from 2020-07-03T14:45

Ashley Hales and Stephanie Lobdell talk about loss shaming, church hurt, and we can lean into a narrative of hope in practical ways right now. Rev. Stephanie Lobdell, MDiv, is a pastor and writer....

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51: K.J. Ramsey on Suffering and Hope from 2020-06-25T11:00

Ashley Hales and K.J. Ramsey talk about loss and suffering as an invitation to God and community. K.J. RAMSEY (BA, Covenant College; MA, Denver Seminary) is a licensed professional counselor, write...

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50: Heather Caliri on Befriending Anxiety from 2020-06-18T11:00

Ashley Hales and Heather Caliri talk about anxiety, vulnerability and church and what to do about it from a Christian perspective. Heather Caliri is a writer and artist who is happily content with ...

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49: Daniel Im on Hustle Culture from 2020-06-09T17:20

In this conversation Ashley Hales and Daniel Im talk about hustle culture and what the lies about our work tell us about our souls. LISTEN ON APPLE PODCASTS, GOOGLE PODCASTS and MEGAPHONE.FM or you...

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48: Mary DeMuth on the Gospel, Sexual Abuse, Trauma and the Church from 2020-05-14T10:00

We talk about empathy, trauma, care for the sexually abused, and telling your story. Please note we talk about sexual abuse in this episode. But do know that the conversation is full of grace and a...

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47: Leslie Leyland Fields on Why Your Story Matters from 2020-04-30T11:00

Leslie Leyland Fields and I chat about place and how and why our stories matter. When the world has been upended by COVID-19, maybe some gentle writing practices might help you recover yourself and...

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46: Meredith McDaniel on Finding God's Steadfastness Now from 2020-04-16T14:53

How do we live when circumstances are wonderful or when we’re in the middle of anxiety and fear? Meredith McDaniel, author of In Want + Plenty and invites us into spiritual practices to sustain our...

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45: Steven Garber on The Seamless Life from 2020-04-09T11:00

Don’t you long for your life to feel seamless — not boxed into categories or feelings? This lovely conversation with the brilliant and kind Steven Garber is one step in the right direction. Join us...

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44: Laura Fabrycky on Civic Housekeeping + Bonhoeffer from 2020-04-02T13:58

Laura Fabrycky and I talk about how people belong to people and places, about our choices for the good of community, acedia, and what Bonhoeffer has to teach us today. Laura M. Fabrycky is a Americ...

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44: Laura Fabrycky on Civic Housekeeping + Bonhoeffer from 2020-04-02T13:58

Laura Fabrycky and I talk about how people belong to people and places, about our choices for the good of community, acedia, and what Bonhoeffer has to teach us today.
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43: Karla Reed on Generosity, Spending, and Creativity during a Pandemic from 2020-03-30T11:00

Join us for this special bonus episode with Karla Reed, a style influencer on Instagram and a Christian. We're not economists (at all!) but we talk about all the confusion about how to think about ...

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43: Karla Reed on Generosity, Spending, and Creativity during a Pandemic from 2020-03-30T11:00

Join us for this special bonus episode with Karla Reed, a style influencer on Instagram and a Christian. We're not economists (at all!) but we talk about all the confusion about how to think about ...

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42: Lent with Lore: Cultivating Hope Now from 2020-03-26T11:00

Join us for a special series in the month of March on Lenten practices with Lore Ferguson Wilbert. This week, we’re all in need of hope. Join us. Lore is a writer, thinker, learner, and author of H...

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41: Anchoring Points in a Pandemic from 2020-03-19T15:59

This week, Lore Ferguson Wilbert and I take a break and talk about finding anchoring points during COVID_19. Lore is a writer, thinker, learner, and author of Handle with Care. She writes for She ...

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41: Anchoring Points in a Pandemic from 2020-03-19T15:59

This week, Lore Ferguson Wilbert and I take a break and talk about finding anchoring points during COVID_19. Lore is a writer, thinker, learner, and author of Handle with Care. She writes for She ...

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40: Lent with Lore: On Fasting + Feasting from 2020-03-12T11:00

Join us for a special series in the month of March on Lenten practices with Lore Ferguson Wilbert — this week’s is on rhythms of fasting and feasting. Lore is a writer, thinker, learner, and autho...

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40: Lent with Lore: On Fasting + Feasting from 2020-03-12T11:00

Join us for a special series in the month of March on Lenten practices with Lore Ferguson Wilbert — this week’s is on rhythms of fasting and feasting.

Lore is a writer, thinker, learner, a...

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39: Lent with Lore Ferguson Wilbert: On Bodies from 2020-03-05T12:00

The Church has historically practiced Lent as a period of preparation for Easter. What does it have to do with our bodies? Why does this matter to our spiritual lives? Join me and Lore Ferguson Wil...

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39: Lent with Lore Ferguson Wilbert: On Bodies from 2020-03-05T12:00

The Church has historically practiced Lent as a period of preparation for Easter. What does it have to do with our bodies? Why does this matter to our spiritual lives? Join me and Lore Ferguson Wil...

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38: Emily Jensen and Laura Wifler on the Scaffolding for Faithfulness from 2020-02-27T12:00

What does it look like to build a sustainable life as a mother? I talk with Emily Jensen and Laura Wifler for more. Emily Jensen and Laura Wifler are in the trenches of motherhood, right alongside ...

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37: Justin Whitmel Earley on Overwhelm + Your Life Architecture from 2020-02-20T12:00

Listen in to a conversation about overwhelm and how to order a life that really matters. My guest today is Justin Whitmel Earley, author of the book The Common Rule, a CT Book Award Winner. It’s 40...

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36: Richella Parham on Comparison Beyond the Life Hack Answers from 2020-02-13T12:00

When we realize we’ve been sucked into comparison, what do we do? When the “you’re perfect” line or the 5 steps to stop comparing” doesn’t cut it, how do we grow? Richella J. Parham is the author o...

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35: Jake Meador on Loneliness and the Common Good from 2020-02-06T12:00

If the social fabric has broken down, what do we do about it? What might Christians have to offer our neighbors who are in search of the common good? We talk everything from loneliness, work, and i...

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35: Jake Meador on Loneliness and the Common Good from 2020-02-06T12:00

If the social fabric has broken down, what do we do about it? What might Christians have to offer our neighbors who are in search of the common good? We talk everything from loneliness, work, and i...

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34: Suburban Bootcamp: Suburban Secularism + How to Develop a Gospel Identity from 2020-01-30T14:28

For three weeks, our Suburban Bootcamp helps you take the big ideas of secularism and connect the dots to your everyday, holy life. How do we live ordinary lives well in a secular age? Here’s some ...

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33: Suburban Bootcamp: Suburban Secularism + Building Resilience from 2020-01-23T12:00

For three weeks, our Suburban Bootcamp helps you take the big ideas of secularism and connect the dots to your everyday, holy life. How do we live ordinary lives well in a secular age? Here’s some ...

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32: Suburban Bootcamp: Suburban Secularism in a Digital Age from 2020-01-16T12:00

For the month of January, our Suburban Bootcamp helps you take the big ideas of secularism and connect the dots to your everyday, holy life. How do we live ordinary lives well in a secular age? Her...

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31: Kate Bowler on The Preacher's Wife from 2020-01-09T12:00

Kate Bowler, academic and author, writes about women and power in Christian circles in her latest book, The Preacher’s Wife: The Precarious Power of Evangelical Women Celebrities. Ashley Hales was ...

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31: Kate Bowler on The Preacher's Wife from 2020-01-09T12:00

Kate Bowler, academic and author, writes about women and power in Christian circles in her latest book, The Preacher’s Wife: The Precarious Power of Evangelical Women Celebrities. Ashley Hales was ...

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30: Advent with Jen Pollock Michel: Follow the Food from 2019-12-23T12:00

We’re busy and yet we want to connect with God. Listen in to these four weeks of short conversations that you can listen to in the midst of your real life with Ashley Hales and Jen Pollock Michel. ...

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30: Advent with Jen Pollock Michel: Follow the Food from 2019-12-23T12:00

We’re busy and yet we want to connect with God. Listen in to these four weeks of short conversations that you can listen to in the midst of your real life with Ashley Hales and Jen Pollock Michel. ...

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29: Advent with Jen Pollock Michel: God's comfort and mission from 2019-12-18T12:00

We’re busy and yet we want to connect with God. Listen in to these four weeks of short conversations that you can listen to in the midst of your real life with Ashley Hales and Jen Pollock Michel. ...

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29: Advent with Jen Pollock Michel: God's comfort and mission from 2019-12-18T12:00

We’re busy and yet we want to connect with God. Listen in to these four weeks of short conversations that you can listen to in the midst of your real life with Ashley Hales and Jen Pollock Michel. ...

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28: Advent with Jen Pollock Michel: What's the cost of your 'yes'? from 2019-12-11T12:00

We’re busy and yet we want to connect with God. Listen in to these four weeks of short conversations that you can listen to in the midst of your real life with Ashley Hales and Jen Pollock Michel. ...

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28: Advent with Jen Pollock Michel: What's the cost of your 'yes'? from 2019-12-11T12:00

We’re busy and yet we want to connect with God. Listen in to these four weeks of short conversations that you can listen to in the midst of your real life with Ashley Hales and Jen Pollock Michel. ...

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27: Advent with Jen Pollock Michel: Embrace the Real from 2019-12-04T12:00

We’re busy and yet we want to connect with God. Listen in to these four weeks of short conversations that you can listen to in the midst of your real life with Ashley Hales and Jen Pollock Michel. ...

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27: Advent with Jen Pollock Michel: Embrace the Real from 2019-12-04T12:00

We’re busy and yet we want to connect with God. Listen in to these four weeks of short conversations that you can listen to in the midst of your real life with Ashley Hales and Jen Pollock Michel. ...

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26: On Place: Where do we go from here? from 2019-12-01T15:00

After three great episodes on how our places shape our loves and what we do about it as believers, Ashley Hales and Brandon J. O’Brien give listeners a road map for what to do next. We invite you i...

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26: On Place: Where do we go from here? from 2019-12-01T15:00

After three great episodes on how our places shape our loves and what we do about it as believers, Ashley Hales and Brandon J. O’Brien give listeners a road map for what to do next. We invite you i...

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25: On Place with José Humphreys from 2019-11-20T13:00

Our places shape our loves. Can the church stick with a place? We continue this mini-series in November on place with series co-host, Brandon J. O’Brien, and today we bring in José Humphreys of Eas...

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25: On Place with José Humphreys from 2019-11-20T13:00

Our places shape our loves. Can the church stick with a place? We continue this mini-series in November on place with series co-host, Brandon J. O’Brien, and today we bring in José Humphreys of Eas...

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24: On Place with Dennae Pierre from 2019-11-13T19:55

Dennae Pierre is executive director of The Surge Network, a movement of local churches partnered together to put Jesus on display in Arizona. She is a graduate of Covenant Theological Seminary and ...

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24: On Place with Dennae Pierre from 2019-11-13T19:55

Dennae Pierre is executive director of The Surge Network, a movement of local churches partnered together to put Jesus on display in Arizona. She is a graduate of Covenant Theological Seminary and ...

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23: On Place with Brandon J. O'Brien from 2019-11-07T03:43

Are you a citizen of the world or a good neighbor? We have a special series just for you! Through the month of November, we’ll be taking all about how places actually form our loves. We’ll walk you...

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23: On Place with Brandon J. O'Brien from 2019-11-07T03:43

Are you a citizen of the world or a good neighbor? We have a special series just for you! Through the month of November, we’ll be taking all about how places actually form our loves. We’ll walk you...

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22: A Special Announcement from 2019-10-30T13:29

In this interlude, Ashley Hales introduces one small step to push back against the consumerism that wants to form us in its image AND an invitation to a special series on place coming up in Novembe...

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22: A Special Announcement from 2019-10-30T13:29

In this interlude, Ashley Hales introduces one small step to push back against the consumerism that wants to form us in its image AND an invitation to a special series on place coming up in Novembe...

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21: Catherine McNiel on Practices of Hope in Chaos from 2019-10-23T11:00

It’s hard to see the deeper things when life is full and busy. In this conversation with Catherine McNiel, we talk about how we can be awakened to God’s presence in creation. We’re invited to see G...

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21: Catherine McNiel on Practices of Hope in Chaos from 2019-10-23T11:00

It’s hard to see the deeper things when life is full and busy. In this conversation with Catherine McNiel, we talk about how we can be awakened to God’s presence in creation. We’re invited to see G...

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20: Mike Cosper on Developing a Christian Imagination from 2019-10-16T11:00

On this episode I chat with Mike Cosper about everything from great sentences, to mental illness, leaving church ministry, to the Enneagram and how to develop a Christian imagination. It’s a fruitf...

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20: Mike Cosper on Developing a Christian Imagination from 2019-10-16T11:00

On this episode I chat with Mike Cosper about everything from great sentences, to mental illness, leaving church ministry, to the Enneagram and how to develop a Christian imagination. It’s a fruitf...

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19: Seth Haines on Addiction + Sobriety of the Soul from 2019-10-09T10:00

It’s easier to numb ourselves than feel our pain. This helpful and insightful interview with Seth Haines (author of Coming Clean and the forthcoming The Book of Waking Up) shows us a way forward. W...

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19: Seth Haines on Addiction + Sobriety of the Soul from 2019-10-09T10:00

It’s easier to numb ourselves than feel our pain. This helpful and insightful interview with Seth Haines (author of Coming Clean and the forthcoming The Book of Waking Up) shows us a way forward. W...

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18: Aubrey Sampson on Developing the Language and Faith to Lament from 2019-10-02T09:00

We talk about pain, suffering and lament and where to find hope in this episode with Aubrey Sampson. If you feel like you’re praying to the ceiling fan or can’t find God, then this episode is for y...

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18: Aubrey Sampson on Developing the Language and Faith to Lament from 2019-10-02T09:00

We talk about pain, suffering and lament and where to find hope in this episode with Aubrey Sampson. If you feel like you’re praying to the ceiling fan or can’t find God, then this episode is for y...

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17: Cara Meredith on Starting Conversations Around Race from 2019-09-26T02:54

Conversations around race and justice can be hard, vulnerable, and polarizing. Yet because we believe God created all of us as image bearers of himself, we need to enter in. So many people don’t ha...

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17: Cara Meredith on Starting Conversations Around Race from 2019-09-26T02:54

Conversations around race and justice can be hard, vulnerable, and polarizing. Yet because we believe God created all of us as image bearers of himself, we need to enter in. So many people don’t ha...

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16: Casey Tygrett on the Redemption of Soul Memories from 2019-09-17T09:00

We’re connecting the dots between the things that really matter and our everyday, ordinary lives. Today, I sit down with Casey Tygrett to talk about memories. We talk about how they influence our l...

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16: Casey Tygrett on the Redemption of Soul Memories from 2019-09-17T09:00

We’re connecting the dots between the things that really matter and our everyday, ordinary lives. Today, I sit down with Casey Tygrett to talk about memories. We talk about how they influence our l...

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15: Patrice Gopo on the Intersection of Place, Race, and Faith from 2019-07-10T09:00

We don’t often think about how our places shape us and our stories. We often think of our places as a backdrop to all the living we do, just the context for how we’ll move about in the world. We do...

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15: Patrice Gopo on the Intersection of Place, Race, and Faith from 2019-07-10T09:00

We don’t often think about how our places shape us and our stories. We often think of our places as a backdrop to all the living we do, just the context for how we’ll move about in the world. We do...

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14: Lore Ferguson Wilbert on The Goodness of Bodies from 2019-07-02T09:00

If you’re someone who struggles to know how our bodies fit into our faith, this conversation is for you.  There’s so much around the idea of touch in the church and in our culture that feels like a...

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14: Lore Ferguson Wilbert on The Goodness of Bodies from 2019-07-02T09:00

If you’re someone who struggles to know how our bodies fit into our faith, this conversation is for you.  There’s so much around the idea of touch in the church and in our culture that feels like a...

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13: Shawn Smucker on Choosing Presence in a Busy Culture from 2019-06-25T09:00

Sometimes when we’re in the thralls of our normal routines, our roles in our families and in our neighborhoods, it’s hard to stop and pay attention. Shawn Smucker, author, husband, and busy father ...

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13: Shawn Smucker on Choosing Presence in a Busy Culture from 2019-06-25T09:00

Sometimes when we’re in the thralls of our normal routines, our roles in our families and in our neighborhoods, it’s hard to stop and pay attention. Shawn Smucker, author, husband, and busy father ...

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12: Michelle DeRusha on the Life-Changing Habit of Quiet from 2019-06-18T10:00

This a great conversation on quiet, stillness, habits, and brain neural pathways. You’ll love learning about why our brains react against stillness and quiet. even task-positive network and default...

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12: Michelle DeRusha on the Life-Changing Habit of Quiet from 2019-06-18T10:00

This a great conversation on quiet, stillness, habits, and brain neural pathways. You’ll love learning about why our brains react against stillness and quiet. even task-positive network and default...

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11: Darryl Dash on 3 Habits for Spiritual Growth from 2019-06-11T10:00

Darryl Dash is pastor of Liberty Grace Church in Toronto, and author of *How to Grow: Applying the Gospel to All of Your Life*. He is also cofounder of Gospel for Life and director of Advance Churc...

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11: Darryl Dash on 3 Habits for Spiritual Growth from 2019-06-11T10:00

Darryl Dash is pastor of Liberty Grace Church in Toronto, and author of *How to Grow: Applying the Gospel to All of Your Life*. He is also cofounder of Gospel for Life and director of Advance Churc...

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10: Suburban bootcamp: Hospitality for Busy People from 2019-01-22T10:00

On this second edition of a “Suburban Bootcamp,” Bryce and Ashley Hales talk together about how the gospel reorients our relationships vertically with God and horizontally with others. So how do we...

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10: Suburban bootcamp: Hospitality for Busy People from 2019-01-22T10:00

On this second edition of a “Suburban Bootcamp,” Bryce and Ashley Hales talk together about how the gospel reorients our relationships vertically with God and horizontally with others. So how do we...

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9: Suburban Bootcamp from 2019-01-15T15:04

It’s 2019! Welcome back to The Finding Holy Podcast, where we connect the dots between the things that matter and your everyday, holy life.  Before we kick off season 2, we’re going to have a three...

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9: Suburban Bootcamp from 2019-01-15T15:04

It’s 2019! Welcome back to The Finding Holy Podcast, where we connect the dots between the things that matter and your everyday, holy life.  Before we kick off season 2, we’re going to have a three...

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8: Sam Wheatley on the spirituality of parking in New York City from 2018-12-18T09:00

My guest this week is Rev. Sam Wheatley, who we met when he was our pastor in Salt Lake city, UT. Whereas we’ve moved on to church planting in the SoCal suburbs, Sam and his wife Kate have moved ba...

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7: Hannah Anderson on having your feet in two worlds from 2018-12-11T09:00

My guest today lives in rural Appalachia -- probably not a spot most of my listeners live in. The temptation could be to skip this episode because you don’t live in a rural spot. Maybe you live in ...

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6: Micha Boyett on Seeing like Jesus from 2018-12-04T08:25

You’ll love this interview with author and activist Micha Boyett. She and her family live in San Francisco, CA. Micha Boyett, author of Found, talks motherhood, raising a son with Down Syndrome, an...

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6: Micha Boyett on Seeing like Jesus from 2018-12-04T08:25

You’ll love this interview with author and activist Micha Boyett. She and her family live in San Francisco, CA. Micha Boyett, author of Found, talks motherhood, raising a son with Down Syndrome, an...

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5: Russ Ramsey on How Story Forms Us from 2018-11-27T09:00

My guest for Episode 5 is Russ Ramsey. Russ Ramsey is the pastor of Christ Presbyterian Church Cool Springs in Nashville, Tennessee, where he lives with his wife and four children. He grew up in th...

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4: Bronwyn Lea on Staying Put from 2018-11-20T09:00

In Episode 4, I sit down with Bronwyn Lea. Bronwyn Lea is originally from South Africa and brings a unique perspective to American listeners, not just on America, but on the way the places we live ...

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3: Jen Michel on Finding Home in a Big City from 2018-11-13T09:00

Award-winning author Jen Pollock Michel and I talk about how you can belong to a place when you’re an expat, our longings for home, and her amazing laundry song. You won’t want to miss this convers...

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2: Alan Noble on Your Digital Life from 2018-11-06T09:00

In the first episode of “The Finding Holy Podcast,” I sit down to talk with Alan Noble, author of the book Disruptive Witness. We talk about everything from Twitter, Instagramming your hike, to bes...

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1: Welcome to the Finding Holy Podcast from 2018-09-25T00:42

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1: Welcome to the Finding Holy Podcast from 2018-09-25T00:42

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